NHL Draft: Islanders celebration & 1st-round open thread
by Dominik on Jun 26, 2009 5:17 PM EDT
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PrintGreetings, regulars and newbies. This is the NHL Draft live thread for comments from Islanders fans and other visitors at Lighthouse Hockey. This is where the blow-by-blow will be before the pick, after the pick (assuming everyone's still alive), leading up through the rest of the first round.
After the pick, I will probably throw up a quick reaction post relating to that pick specifically. But this is the Lighthouse Hockey post where I'll be chiming in for the rest of the goings-on of the 1st round (again, assuming my heart keeps ticking) throughout the night. As for other coverage, live blogs and the latest from the other bloggers live on the floor, check the list in this coverage post.
Needless to say, the Web is absolutely booming with coverage and quips around the draft today -- all entertaining yet hard to keep up with. In Tavares We Trust...
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 26, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
Gotta be a hoax. The kid has been media trained since 15, I don’t see him suddenly breaking form now.
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This has been a long a day
An hour and half til we know for sure,
A whole season has not come down to these final minutes.
I know – when was the first time I thought of John Tavares as a possibility? Feels like a long time ago.
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TSN Reports Atlanta is looking to deal their pick
Wanna move up Mr Snow?
Here’s your shot.
We walk out with Svensson or Cowen along with JT we can call it a coup.
No doubt. If he can make a big move to take two top picks, it’d be a helluva day. Atl’s pick is too high, though.
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Smoke and Mirrors?
I think most every team is taking the Snow approach and being pretty liberal with the possibilities they are left open for…whether its true however is questionable.
That would make sense. Odd how ATL has been associated so much with Kane and is now willing to back off. Maybe they can get Kane later? (Cowen would seem to be in the mix up there.)
Heh, I’m speculating off of speculation of speculation.
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Like it (if the Isles choose Tavares as expected) or Not (not Tavares)…the Isles have done a good job of dictating the pace in the lead up to the draft…doesn’t it feel like the extent of rumour-mongering has been brought on heavily due to Snow’s and the Isles poker-face?
Totally. I hear people outside the Islanders fandom citing all the hoopla before this draft, and I’m thinking, “Man, this is mostly Snow’s doing.”
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I’m sure Eklund is using this to steal more money from naive teenagers on his site.
TSN is reporting Ottawa would like to have Heatly dealt by the end of the day.
Kessel and Kaberle is not going to happen.
Good stuff. Yeah, The Rumor has to be making a mint. Pronger was dealt last week, right? To LA?
I love Ottawa: There is a $4 million bonus that they have to pay July 1. They can’t both ask for the moon for Heatley and demand the deal is done before that bonus kicks in.
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This would only happen if it was more important to offload the 4-million than get fair return for Heatley (which is unlikely)…
I don’t think he’s coming here.
OTOH; Doubt Ottawa gets a fair return given that Heatly demanded a trade and they are trying to get out of paying that bonus. They’ll still get something good but it won’t be fair value.
True…but if Ottawa were looking to overload the 4 million dollar bonus rather than get anything near fair value…it could be into highway robbery territory (or least worth the GM’s trying to see if this is a possibility)…
Dreger reporting
on TSN that any deal for Heatly right now is dead.
Heatley has really stabbed them good.
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Ha, pretty sure I had a comment here. I think it was about Heatley stabbing Ottawa real good.
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Oh Pronger?
Dreger on TSN is saying there are talks with Phillie right now regarding Pronger.
The guys in Atlanta have no idea what they are doing
and have no clue how to build a team.
If there was a team to rob of a pick that’s it. Although I have to admit I’d feel kinda crappy about it.
Good point. (And I’d feel crappy, too. But I’d get over it.)
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Possibly. . .
. . . my last night as an Islanders fan. Odd feeling.
FYI, the skies just opened in Manhattan. Ominous sign for the Isles?
You need to pour yourself a drink to “enjoy” your last hour. Any special food requests?
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Still in the office, unfortunately, although that’s not a compelling reason not to drink, I suppose.
I’d put the odds at selecting JT at under 10%, based on my super-scientific probability calculations.
In this world, all you gotta do is select a number with conviction and somebody will believe it.
I can’t say drinking at the office hasn’t crossed my mind…
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You'll be back
We’ve all said this millions of times.
We’re idiots and keep comeing back for more.
No, I think I’m really done. I won’t pick up another team. At least not for a while — got to take some time for myself, you know?
But I can’t do this anymore.
I said the same thing last year at the draft
Took me a few days to come to grips with what Garth did. In a sense it was really smart. He had to get the guy who he felt could best survive this team psychologically and had the best talent.
The team needed a body. We were really thin at center.
Lots of factors to consider as there was no help coming from the UFA market.
Same thing this year.
If they have one, I’ll listen — as long as they actually detail it, instead of just hiding behind “best player available.” They’ve seen the environment the last few weeks; if they’re not taking JT, they should have taken more steps to manage fan expectations.
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I have to say I was fine with the Bailey moves last year. We needed to stock up, and they saw something in Bailey.
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That sucks. But I identify with the battered feeling … I was hanging by a string during the Milbury years.
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More Duchene...
Everyone, they’re mother, they’re brother, they’re ancestors, and the Avs sources think it’s Duchene. Which means it will be Tavares.
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(Honestly, if Snow has kept ’em guessing this long, he could likely take it all the way to the stage.) The only way I think the Avs could know is if Snow tipped his hand when fielding “significant” offers for the #1.
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After 35 years, I’ve seen the best and worse of the Islanders. Comes with the territory with this franchise, especially if you survived Milbury.
The need to ignore Milbury-induced scarring...
Hopefully Snow doesn’t do the Milbury move with the shoe when trying to escape from ensuing riots
The suspense is pretty deadly…however this could pan out really well for the Isles
At least the Isles control their own fate (although this control could actually be the problem)…whereas the teams below have to plan for any insanity…
I’m definitely appreciating how he has everybody’s fate in his hands.
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Hey Guys,
I finally got the Live Blog going so if you’re interested drop by there.
IslesOfficialsOutlook.blogspot.com
From the Penalty Box to the Blog Box! Check it out at Isles Official's Outlook!
Oh yeah! We got it covered now.
The connection at the Belle Centre was originally paltry for IslesOfficial. I think he’s up to cruising speed now.
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Grindhouse....
Watching the end of “GrindHouse” while waiting. Think we can find 3 Ice Girls to kick Snow’s butt and strap him to the hood of a car if he doesn’t take JT?
Nice. I do believe that’s the first Grindhouse reference on this blog :)
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Danica is no ice girl.
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If it's Tavares,
I’m grabbing a beer.
If it’s someone else, I’m hitting the whiskey.
(Note to kids: Drinking is not the answer)
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“The Toronto braintrust was here a whole hour before anyone else.”
— And that, I believe, is why Snow kept everyone in the dark.
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TSN hasn’t shown this many Isles jerseys since … well before there was a TSN.
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I love that they’re talking more about Heatley than the actual deal. It’s like, “This MVP/Norris winner was dealt, but it didn’t involve a Canadian team.”
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What did Dreger just say about Pronger to PHI? Dammit, wife has the TV with the DVR, I’m stuck with the live-only feed.
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Wow. It would have to be a lot, I’d think, but both teams are up against the cap. Interesting.
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First TSN shot of the Coliseum
Jesus, it’s full.
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Hee hee. Have you chosen your last meal? (Not to make light of your crisis.)
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Some guy who as toyed with Liverpool for too long is at the podium speaking French.
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Whoops, scratch that. I thought I heard Gillette.
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Yet being Bettman, he’s just gonna keep talking. And talking. And talking.
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They have a cam? I gotta check that.
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Oh my god, I’m dying here.
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Hee hee
Garth knows one French word. “Bonjour.”
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YOU’RE BAAAAAA—-AAAAAAACK!!!!
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That was beautiful
What a poker game by Snow.
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Haha! If he ever wins you over, we can alter your screenname. But that’d be a lot of tradition to leave behind…
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YAAAHHHHHOOOOOOWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEE
Mission Tavares Complete!!!!!!!
Next years PP:
Bailey fakes to Okposo, drops to Tavares for the goal!
Weight walks in to celebrate from the point.
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Nah, passe. Make it 20!!
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Awesome
Dreger to Lawton, with Hedman sitting between them: “Would you have taken Victor 1st overall if you were in that position?”
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YES!
I have to admit, I was pretty nervous waiting for Snow to announce the pick. Glad he made the decision though. Only really came into the NYI analysis through blogs, podcasts and the like in the last few months, but I have to say that for all the time I’ve been looking at it, Garth Snow’s played it pretty well, even down to cracking jokes in the TSN interview.
Sweet. Yeah, it’s funny that he played it so well, we were ready to crucify him — or believe that he deserved crucifixion.
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What Bossy says,
I record in a book that shall be passed down for generations.
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And love a man in uniform.
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Wee bit of a new post
I added a Tavares announcement post here, if anybody wants to read or record thoughts.
(Set to open in a new window, because if you close this window, sometimes these live threads run slow once you try to click back in.)
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Top 4 so far
Just as projected/expected, excluding the WWGD caveat. (What Will Garth Do?)
Just as SBN draft went, no big surprise. (Not that we’re geniuses, but we know how to follow reason. Except for St. Louis Game Time, who are terrorists.)
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by Dominik on Jun 26, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Terrorists?
bitch, RECOGNIZE !!!
Oh yeah, and rec’d ….
.... formerly "Tim" of StLouisGameTime.com
by CrossCheckRaise on Jun 26, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
Thought that might get you guys up. I’m having weird connection problems that are making my SBN navigation difficult. Trying to get to SLGT, too.
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Schenn to L.A.
Burke, it’s safe to say, has struck out.
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NYI MOVE UP!!
Taking Columbus’ pick!
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16th overall
KGS, you’re getting your wish. No word yet on the price.
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The deal
16 and 77 for 26, 37, 62 and 92.
I’m cool with that. Jumping up 10 spots is huge.
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Wow, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounder for 1st and 3rd. Wonder who the target is? Good move with this draft. Not as deep as last season was.
Agreed. I suppose at that spot, they’re guaranteed of a good D-man?
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Isles announcement
Buy season tickets tonight, meet Tavares next week. (The kid deserves a bonus already.)
No word whether you get to kiss his feet.
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That’s what nobody outside of Long Island seemed to understand. Btw, just got a call form one of my buddies back east, and he happily is re-upping his tickets. THAT’S why they needed JT.
That’s beautiful. Pretty much why this decision was so huge. “You can’t let fan momentum dictate your choice” — unless it’s the right choice and your revenue base depends on it!
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You should put that in your Bossy book. A quote worth remembering,lol
by FireGarthSnow on Jun 26, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The book that future GMs will will be sworn in over.
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Ottawa Gets Cowen
I mean, they can’t go wrong there. I don’t know why they wanted Kadri over him anyway, unless they counted on getting D assets for Heatley.
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To Edmonton.
Their description of his hustle and hands sounds like Bergenheim.
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Murray of OTT:
“Well, we’ll probably have Dany Heatley playing LW on our hockey team if it doesn’t work out.”
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Uh-oh
Starting to wonder what D-men will be left at 16.
/looks for list
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YES! NYI moving up again?
Boom-chicka-boom. KeepGarthSnow.
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Looks like they’re grabbing swapping with WIld at 12. Wild had — haha — nine picks in the last two drafts.
… and the pick is De Haan. Interesting. Lot of people didn’t think he would even be taken by 16. Curious.
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Not a good one here. they could of stayed at 26 and possibly gotten him. Certainly @16. Garth wasted two picks here.
by FireGarthSnow on Jun 26, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Pronger on the line on TSN
Will they ask him if Mrs. Pronger likes Philly?
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Gist of interview: I rule. I brought Ducks what they wanted, and it worked out. I will do the same in Philly. This is fun stuff for me.
44 as a Flyer. I’m about to hate Chris Pronger a whole, whole, whole lot more.
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How soon before Pronger throws his first elbow into JT"s mug? Now we need a true enforcer.
by FireGarthSnow on Jun 26, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Only One Year (At the Moment)...
And Philly Mortgaged their future and are also over the cap.
Long-term this is good for Philly-haters…
Agreed. Laraque only wanted to try to dupe him.
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Actually, Laraque said Wrecker asked if he wanted to go, and according to The Code, Georges oblidged. It was a good short read on Hockeyfights.com. I’ll see if I can find it.
here it is( I hope)
http://www.hockeyfights.com/quickhits/qh/entry/the-veteran-rookie-relationship/
by FireGarthSnow on Jun 26, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. I remember reading that. But I didn’t like the way Laraque made all that body language as if the Wrecker was scared. He did the equivalent of “don’t hold me back” by gliding backwards while grinning and saying “come on, don’t back away.”
That’s my read of the video, even though Wrecker said all the right gracious things. Just thought it was a dick move (if wily vet move) by Georges.
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I don’t even know who I wanted; I wasn’t expecting to move up that far, and once we did, I sure wasn’t expecting it to be De Haan.
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heh, I know two of ’em are in Montreal on the floor. I had the chance to go, but a trip abroad last week scuttled that plan.
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Many thanks, Dom
Dom, thanks for the live blog as well. Appreciate the opportunity to talk some puck with fellow Isles fans.
Hey man, any time. Really appreciate you coming by. I’ll be around tomorrow, too — though I’m sure it will be quite a bit more boring! (Particularly now that we shot our extra picks.) At least the 2nd round should be fun.
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So the Isles are done for the night
But they held on to the first pick tomorrow (#31) and they have Boston’s pick in the 2nd still, too. Not bad. But the de Haan move still scratches the head.
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Now I just want to see where C-Moan De-Pray ends up. Will try to wake up at 7am, which is when it starts in Vegas.
by FireGarthSnow on Jun 26, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get that move at all. I love the trade up to #12, but then taking de Haan there? Huh? Central Scouting had him at #25 just in North America. I would have loved to take Kassian there.
Oh well. Tavares: Woooooo!!!
Yeah, it’s funny: I’m happy with Snow today because he took Tavares and he really leveraged the extra picks to move up. But on the other hand, he took the obvious #1 and then he spent assets to get a guy that might very well have been there at the original spot.
But maybe not. Maybe there was a market for De Haan on the floor that the pundits didn’t see. Maybe they really wanted him because he gels with Tavares in Oshawa. I’m excited to have him; I just thought if we got him it would be in the 21-26 range, based on what I read going in.
Oh well. Tavares: Woooo!! indeed!
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Agreed. It’s almost as if the Islanders, having done the right thing with their first pick for a change, were still determined to do something “unexpected” and, quite frankly, stupid.
I don’t think this is knee-jerk Snow-hating either. I was actually fine with Snow’s moves during the last draft. Filatov would have been nice, but the Isles had no kind of centers and I like Bailey.
But this one makes no sense. It’s almost certain that De Haan would have been there at #26. I was also struck by the Oshawa connection and thought maybe the scouts saw something in De Haan while peeing Tavares for all that time. Nonetheless, they probably still could have picked him up at #26, so moving up so far to get him doesn’t make much sense. Particularly with a couple of many prototypical NHL power forwards still on the board at #12.
In today’s NHL, I think it’s become increasingly difficult to pick up scoring talent, so I think it’s really important to get that through the draft. I mean, look at the Pens: Hal Gill was their #3 for fuck’s sake. Defense is over-rated these days (and I say that as a defenseman in my own right).
Haha, the “S.S. Hall Gill,” no less. That’s why I want no part of Komisarek at his asking price, though I was wooed by the idea earlier in the year. Don’t need to be paying premiums for defensemen unless they’re significant parts of the attack.
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