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Does the NHLPA want the Islanders to stay put?

Asked why the Isles aren't allowed to partake in revenue sharing, as several other NHL teams have done, Bettman explained they aren't eligible under the collective bargaining agreement as a "small market" team. ... "The CBA doesn't contemplate that a franchise in a market with more than 2.5 million households is eligible for revenue sharing."

So, there's no prospect of even minimal help from the NHL for the Islanders. And even with a renovated Coliseum, there's no way for Wang to begin recovering some of his losses without approval of a significant portion of the Lighthouse Project.

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This is a question I've kept to myself for a while, but one that nags nonetheless: Does the NHLPA -- which is a "partner" with the league and has expressed support for relocating troubled teams -- think the Islanders should stay in this market? Gary Bettman keeps beating the drum in the belief that it can work. Does the NHLPA agree?

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Now, as noted, the Islanders do not eat from the revenue sharing trough, so that concern is out. And while Charles Wang loses some $20 million-plus per year on the team, the club pulls in a hefty chunk of revenue from its TV deal. So as long as the club has an owner like Wang willing to subsidize the losses (although for not much longer, if the Lighthouse project doesn't launch), the NHLPA might not mind when there is at least one franchise in greater trouble.

Plus, if non-Isles fan commenters who drift by this site are any indication, there is some sentiment for saving a historic Cup-winning franchise, a sentiment among long-time hockey fans that does not exist for Atlanta or Phoenix.

There is NHLPA support for a second team in the Toronto area, which few seem to think would flop. Other than that market, though, it's unclear what other "traditional" market has the population and corporate base to support a relocated or expansion team.

This specific topic hasn't gone through the typical Toronto media "thought balloon" loop that typifies every NHL/NHLPA issue. But just for the thought exercise: Suppose the Coyotes were moved to the Toronto area, appeasing at least one faction of the NHLPA. Would the union then also want another struggling team -- such as the Islanders -- to take the virtually free new building on offer in Kansas City? Or to take another billionaire's money in Las Vegas? Uncertain long-term bets, those, but possible short-term revenue boosts compared to the status quo.

This well-circulated Glen Healy quote -- an NHLPA official (and ex-Islander!) -- is fresh on the mind:

"We can't do anything, but we do question why franchises are in certain places," Healy said. "We care because they are tied to us with the [salary-cap] system we're in and the cost certainty. Some of these franchises are like an anchor, or even the Titanic, and we're going down with them."

Second team in Toronto excluded, would the union prefer the league hop from ship to ship as soon as a better offer arrives when times get rough? Or is there an expiration date or time-and-revenue litmus test, after which it's time to give up on a market?

Personally, if the league wants a large continental footprint for the long-term, I think it would be wise to stay in existing southern markets wherever possible. Barring disaster, those U.S. spots have the (ever-growing) population and base to be eventual successes -- particularly if a place like Florida or Atlanta can put out a consistently decent team. (It's hard to imagine any NHL team thriving under a decade with zero playoff success while still charging NHL prices.)

Hate on "the South" or the Sun Belt all you want, but there is a Stanley Cup-winning club with raucous playoff crowds right now in Raleigh, and there is a Stanley Cup-winning club in Anaheim with a healthy building that's about to host Games 3 and 4 between the last two Cup winners. If we believe in this stimulant that is playoff hockey, do we not believe it can have a similar addictive effect on the "uninitiated" when experienced in proper doses?

Granted, macro trends change, oh yes they do -- so much so that 15 years ago either Alberta-based team's survival was in question, and the Canadian dollar was the league's biggest worry. (Thankfully, the Alberta clubs didn't suffer the same fate as the three relocated WHA franchises.)

But building new markets over a generation requires taking the long view, and owners -- be they millionaires or crooks (or both) -- come and go as they die, fail, or make their land deal and move on. They are not, in fact, one body: They are an association of people of power whose membership changes over time. And you know who has an even shorter time horizon than owners for taking the money while it's there? The players.

Which brings us back to the NHLPA. If they could take an official position, would they say Long Island is a viable long-term market, if only the Islanders could see a little sustained success (and a new building)? Do they believe it's worth enduring a few more low-revenue years on the Island if the payoff is a healthier club generating greater revenue either in Nassau County or another local site?

Or do they see it as a candidate for relocation? (Hey, unlike Phoenix, the Islanders' lease is up in 2015.) Do they see a region with two other existing NHL clubs and think it's time to think short-term and move the weakest one to some place salivating for a club? In this sense, with players as "partners" in the league revenue game, they become like those hated owners who see publicly funded arena deals as part of their trough.

Certainly, we know that the Islanders can pack the building when the team displays some success and some reason to believe in management. While the area is already "served" by the Rangers and Devils, if the Islanders were no more, those fans aren't just going to start rooting for bitter rivals. On the contrary, their days of lining the pockets of NHL owners for tickets, overpriced beer and stale popcorn are probably finished.

I don't pretend to think the NHL really wants the NHLPA's opinion on this. For a "partnership," they sure don't tango much -- not when the NHLPA says its greatest competitive wishes are enforcement of head shots and relaxing the instigator, but the NHL responds by making it even harder to fight and by saying head shot deterrence is fine as is.

Still, if the NHL is a three-tiered triangle of stakeholders among owners, players and fans, the players represent that sizable and still-influential middle tier. On the question of the Islanders, the last uninterrupted NHL dynasty, I wonder where they stand.

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Paul Kelly

Dominik, I wrote on this today.

NHLPA director Paul Kelly in February said he would endorse revenue sharing for the Islanders after the CBA expires in two years which never made it into Newsday today who has a vested interest in seeing this team depart ASAP and will have it’s staff grease the skids whenever possible and not look at the Garden’s losses or it’s league leading financial losses for years entering the lockout.

“I believe the television-market clause discriminates unfairly against teams like the Islanders and Ducks,” Kelly told Slap Shots last weekend in Montreal. “The union would certainly support eliminating that clause. It doesn’t make sense if we’re committed to helping clubs in distress.”

Paul Kelly NHLPA 2/1/2009

by New York Islander Fan Central on May 4, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, NYIFC. I probably should have included that since I referred to the article around that earlier. That’s a good sign … I assume if the Islanders hypothetically did start receiving revenue sharing and still lost money, the NHLPA would view them like the other “struggling” revenue sharing recipients …. But it would be interesting to hear their stance on this market, if they have one.

For other readers, NYIFC’s post is here, and here is the Kelly quote (in Larry Brooks’ plea to include the Islanders in revenue sharing).

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by Dominik on May 5, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wirz Clause?

Wasn’t the TV market clause included in the last CBA only to keep Chicago from being eligible? Now that he’s gone, and the team has turned itself around, it’s a unnecessary artifact from the ol’ cheapskate.

There's no use being pessimistic, it won't work anyway.

by Mike in MN on May 9, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dominik, another great article from you.

And Paul, I never saw that quote- thank you for putting it here. Where did you write avbout this?

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on May 4, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, TMC. Trying to find topics for the time between season’s end and the draft :)

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by Dominik on May 5, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wrote Paul Kelly in the subject box, he did not respond here MC. I simply quoted his post from 2/1 which I wrote about today.

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by New York Islander Fan Central on May 4, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Oops lol

Ahh- OK, I see now. Interesting stuff, Dom!
I am surprised that I didnt remember hearing about that back in Feb. Thats a really significant quote.

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on May 4, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Well on the bright side, it looks like the Coyotes are moving back to Canada, which only leaves KC open. And really, who in their right mind would put a hockey team in KC?

by Mark D on May 6, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Nobody but AEG, me thinks.

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by Dominik on May 6, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I don’t even care about the Isles, but every time I see you post over at Mirtle’s, its good. So here I am.

I think the NHLPA wants the Isles to stay put. There’s no question that the NY area can handle 3 teams. The problem is, the Isles simply aren’t good, and haven’t been for a good long time. In fact, the league as a whole wants the Isles where they are. As it is, they currently aren’t eligible for revenue sharing, but they can certainly put into the kitty for all the other smaller market teams. That carries a value in and of itself, because if they can prop up those other teams that have harder times of it, whether in the short term or long term, they’re helping maintain jobs. More than anything, I think the NHLPA just wants the Isles to actually start doing well, and thus be able to take advantage of where they’re at.

I also don’t think the NHLPA wants the league to jump from ship to ship anytime a richer offer comes. Go ask anyone currently signed to a contract by the Coyotes how great it is to be unsure where things are going. It makes it harder for teams to compete in free agency, because certain teams are in particular danger of being moved or whatnot, which no one wants to deal with. Further, you can only do follow this strategy so many times. If you’re constantly jumping ship, eventually, people become jaded and disinterested, or even hostile. Without any good will, its a lot harder to get all these city-financed arenas.

I think what the NHLPA really wants is for the NHL to take care of those markets that ARE stable first, and to only be dealing with a handful of trouble cases, like Phoenix, at a time. Its not a big deal for a league as a whole to prop up a couple of franchises at a time. It’s just kind of how it works. But given how fast the NHL expanded into non-traditional markets, they’ve gotten into a position where they’re having to prop up several franchises at once, and that creates a problem. If you had one or two of the franchises who are currently or have historically had a pretty tough time of it, and moved them to more stable markets, you’d probably be just fine. That’s what the NHLPA wants.

Additionally, the NHLPA also wants is the owners in these areas to not suck ass. That would really help with making these markets work. Why should anyone pay for a Thrashers game, when they’ve been absolutely horrific since their inception, and look to continue to be such until they are contracted or more likely relocated? Hell, look at what happened in TB this year, to see how much terrible ownership has to do with it. I know theres not really much they can do about it, but really, the best thing the NHL could do, is forcibly install competent front office staff into teams like the Thrashers, Coyotes, and yes, the Isles.

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by IAmJoe on May 12, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

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