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Re-signing Doug Weight: What's the alternative?

The question of whether to re-sign Doug Weight involves three factors: Meeting the cap floor, assessing center-versus-blueline depth, and gauging what willing free agent alternatives might be out there. I've nudged in favor of keeping him all season long because Weight is a devil that you know. Rather see him back than some other uncertain free agent forward looking to revive his career.

Either way, the Islanders will have to add salary this summer, so let's take another hallucinogenic look at our roster/payroll matrix, updated since last time to reflect new realities and guesses about next year.

I've removed Jon Sim's $1 million because I assume that if he's in Bridgeport now, he'll be bought out over the summer. His buyout (not accounted for) would be some fraction of $1 million against the cap. Similarly, I don't have any reason to think the Islanders will sign a $4-million free agent winger as is listed below, but putting that money there gives us a rough idea if they add one big-ticket vet or two smaller ones. I've let Andy Hilbert walk again, but he could be back for something just shy of $1 million.

Figures in [brackets] are unknown salaries/salary slots. Reds are UFAs. Light blues are RFAs, with a wild guess at where their next salary might be. You can swap guys like Trevor Smith and Mike Iggulden out for guys like Jesse Joensuu or an enforcer -- either way the total cap figure is slightly inflated because not all of these guys can be on the NHL roster at the same time. Obviously this is just a loose projection, as capology is like predicting who makes the playoffs:

Left Wing Center Right Wing
Bergenheim
0.925
Weight/FA
[4.5]
UFA
[4.0]
Comeau
[0.735]
Bailey
1.75
Okposo
1.67
Tambellini
0.625
Nielsen
0.53
Hunter
2.0
Jackman
0.55
#1 pick?
[3.8*]
Park
0.8
Thompson/FA
[0.75]
T. Smith
0.80
Iggulden/FA
[0.70]
$3.585 $11.38 $9.17
Forward total: $24.135
Goalie Defense Defense
Dipietro
4.5
Witt
3.0
Streit
4.1
Danis/FA
[1.0]
UFA/prospect
[0.675]
Martinek
1.4
UFA
[0.75]
Sutton
3.5
Gervais
0.8
Meyer
0.6
Hillen
0.9
$6.25 $7.775 $7.2
Def/Goal total: $21.225
Total payroll:

$45.36 M

Meeting the cap floor is a real concern, particularly after $8.5 million in salary has been shed with the departures of Bill Guerin and Mike Comrie. Add Weight to that equation and your lost cap hit is around $12.5 million. Chris Campoli's departure takes it over $13 million. True, the Islanders do not have to replace all of that -- and some of it can be (marginally) consumed by raises for Blake Comeau, Nate Thompson, Jack Hillen and, dare we say? -- Yann Danis. But somewhere, they've got to add (or re-sign) a pricey body.

Star-divide

Chris Botta guesses Danis will cost about $700k, but I think it will be higher than that. The presence of both Danis and Joey MacDonald used to be leverage for the Islanders, but Scott Gordon certainly sounds a lot more impressed with Danis lately, for good reason. A promising backup goaltender costs at least $750k or more, particularly if you may very well need him to be your starter, which is a mindset the Islanders have to take given Rick DiPietro's status.

The rough payroll figure above assumes two forwards totaling $8.5 million again, plus a Tavares or Hedman-type rookie on a max contract (which, with bonuses could approach a $4-million cap hit), plus some raises for Danis and others, as well as another backup goalie contract for MacDonald or a free agent.

Where Does Weight Figure In?

Regardless, the Islanders will have to bring in some kind of veteran who makes some kind of millions. The question is: Do they want to risk that salary on a new veteran who's only here because he's down on his luck (how both Comrie and Weight got here), or should they put it toward a vet they know, who's already here and happy, and who's already had a positive influence on the youngsters the Islanders are developing? As I asked before: Who do you want influencing your 21-year-old future cornerstones -- a Doug Weight or a Mike Comrie?

Despite all the "disgruntled vets" aura this season, here is Weight -- just last week -- on the prospect of staying:

“This is not a case of seeing if the grass is greener on July 1. I know what we have here with the Islanders and I’m very excited about it. With a lot more health and whatever changes management makes, this team can go from the bottom of the league to the playoffs next season. I truly believe that."

From the same Botta link, here is Josh Bailey -- oh, is his development important? -- on the effect Weight has had:

“Dougie’s been amazing for me,” Bailey said [Feb. 28]. “Every day I learn something from him. At practices, on the bench during games, he always has some positive input that will stay with me for my whole career.”

 

Alternatives (Defense?) and Injuries

The summer 2009 UFA market is rather uninspiring at forward. You have your package Sedins who will demand way too much for two parts that do not survive without one another. You have your Mike Cammalleri looking to score. And then you have your riff-raff and your Weight-ish vets like Sergei Fedorov and Brendan Morrison. The Islanders are still in the position only to attract a vet looking to prove himself, like Mark Streit, Weight, Guerin, Comrie, Ruslan Fedotenko and Josef Vasicek before them -- and unlike Ryan Smyth, who had his choice and flew to a different lottery land. Robert Lang is an interesting case coming off of injury, but I bet guys like him draw offers elsewhere.

The Islanders can take the chance of finding someone else at forward down on his luck to take up payroll this summer. Or, they could look to the blueline -- Mike Komisarek is salivated over by fans, for one; if they committed to the blue line like that and IF they selected John Tavares, you could argue that in Josh Bailey, Frans Nielsen and #91 they would have plenty at the pivot, albeit very young and unmentored.

You could even anticipate that Weight would become unhappy if forced to the wing or deprived of ice time because of those young lads. Further, you could look at Weight's three injury spells this year (one groin, one shot-blocking foot, one MCL sprain) and see age written all over that wall.

But unless the Islanders can bring in some top-draw defensemen -- I'd love to see it, but I don't think they can and I don't want this year's Wade Redden -- then I'd rather see them put their uncertain but must-spend cap money toward a guy like Weight, a veteran they know and a veteran who's happy to be here.

Anyone else on the market you'd rather have? Anyone you think the Islanders can convince to sign?

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Aucoin back, is there?

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by jessef on Mar 23, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

My first thought is “that ship has sailed,” but Aucoin is indeed a UFA and he’s been logging well over 20+ minutes for Calgary for the last four months. I honestly thought he was finished, but he appears to be doing okay this season. In the last season of a long $4 million/per deal, he could be right in that “hole” where other teams pass but he still has something to offer. Hmmm…

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by Dominik on Mar 23, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off, the reports I’ve been hearing is that the Overall Cap might drop, so that means the minimal cap will go down too.

Get rid of Weight, Improve the Defense through FA’s, Bring in a starting goalie (I’d like to see Gerber).

I wouldn’t expect DiPietro to be able to start next season, especially after missing a season and a half basically. If anything he might need some time in the AHL to shake off the rust. Sign Gerber to a two year contract, Danis as his backup, draft a backup goalie of the future. Give Gerber and Danis the first half of the season. If they fail, then when DiPietro comes back they won’t be expecting him to carry the team to the playoffs. If they do alright then you can slowly start inserting DiPietro into NHL games, taking the time to recover right from the injury instead of rushing him in and having the weight of worrying about the playoffs on his back.

Theres enough Talented forwards in the system to let Weight go to another team. And plus when players like Weight really get too old to play its a quick drop in preformance.

by Mark D on Mar 23, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Gerber?!

I agree they need to behave as if DiPietro won’t be ready, but Gerber has been awful this season. I don’t trust him to get his mojo back. I’d sooner go with Danis as 1A and MacDonald as backup/minor-leaguer … but I bet MacDonald tries his damndest to avoid going back to the AHL again.

Good point about Weight’s drop-off. When it happens, it will likely be swift and ugly. (Hell, I thought it happened already a couple seasons ago, but he proved me wrong.)

By the way, enjoyed your review of Milbury’s late-round picks, painful as it was. :-) Some crazy memories there. Think you may be too hard on Nielsen though — he’s a keeper.

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by Dominik on Mar 23, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gerber has done good with the Leafs so far compared to Toskala, but I just took a look at upcoming free agent goalies. and noticed Antero Niittymaki is going to be a UFA. He’s basically the same level of talent as Biron from everything I’ve seen (and I live in Philly so I’ve seen him a bunch) but any GM that needs a goalie will probably be after him considering hes only 29. I’ll be happy as long as they don’t sign Clemmensen, who is the most overrated Devils goalie since Schwab took the net for them. I just want them to sign SOMEONE and not plan on DiPietro being ready to carry the team. Plus if you remember back to when the Isles got rid of Hextall, there was always a goalie who did good at the end of the season and would become the starter next season and fail. Soderstrom, McClennan,Fichaud and I could swear even Salo had a poor season, or at least a season that put him in Milbury’s dog house.

Your right about Nielsen. The problem was that there were a bunch of players just like him who played 6,10, 20 games for the Isles and the rest of the season for the Tigers, or Lowell, who just disappeared after the Isles gave up on him. Thats also why I stopped at 2005 although I believe Milbury might have been in charge of the 2006 draft, its tough to see how a prospect is doing only 3 or 4 years out. I also missed his Hockeys Future profile because he’s listed as a graduate.

Thanks for the compliment. I was originally debating whether to add in 3rd round picks or not because the difference between a 2nd and a 3rd usually isn’t that big. But between a 3rd and 4th is two different worlds. Yet Milbury managed to trade 3rd rounders like they were going out of style. I’ve got to do another article about what he got for all those 3rd rounders he traded. I’d bet my life most of the time he added them as throw aways.

by Mark D on Mar 24, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cap dropping

Oh yeah, I haven’t heard that the cap is going down next season, though. Sounds like with all the already accumulated revenue for this season, it won’t drop until the season after. Something to keep in mind though for any deals beyond 2009-10 (yeah, looking at you, Mr. Sather).

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by Dominik on Mar 23, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throwing some names out

First, I’d personally would like to see both Dougie Weight and Dean McAmmond back in the Orange and Blue next season. Don’t think that by moving to the wing that Weight will be become unhappy. I’ve met the man and he’s not the kind of person that chooses his words loosely. He really does believe in this franchise and will do what is necessary and what’s best for the team. McAmmond is the same way and could really add some grit and tertiary scoring, plus very good penalty killing skills to accomodate Park, Hilbert (who most likely will be resigned) and Bergenheim as the top 4 forwards on the kill.

Where money really needs to move is on the defensive end. I think Freddy Meyer’s time on the Island is growing short. This is the second season where he’s been hurt for a good chunk of the season. The same goes for Andy Sutton. However, I’m more inclined to keep Sutton and his $3.5 million if he can stay healthy. The big acquistion as I see it really does come in that shutdown pairing on D. Names I’d love to see come in are: Steve Montador, Mattias Ohlund, Andrew Alberts, Jaro Spacek or Dennis Seidenberg. Any one of those guys would be a good, reliable, tough veteran D-man with a less than $2 million cap hit. I’m actually partial to Montador here.

Where Mike Komisarek and Jay Bouwmeester are concerned, don’t hold your breath. Remember that the Isles are at least 2 years away from attracting any quality, in their prime UFA’s, even if they do draft Tavares. If it ends up that they draft Hedman however, this problem of a UFA D-man will still need to be addressed as his contract extends through next year for Modo in the SEL.

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by IslesOfficial on Mar 24, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, don’t rule out any draft day wheeling and dealing from Snow. You might see players move to make room for the likes of a Jack Hillen to grow into a regular role on the back end.

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by IslesOfficial on Mar 24, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Draft-day dealing

That’s right. Not only to make room, but also to pick off a high-salaried D from a team needing some cap space. Some possibilities may emerge after teams sift through their post-season ashes.

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by Dominik on Mar 24, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

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