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Flyers 6, Islanders 2: Isles continue flat play in front of Biron

"Yeah, sure we looked beaten up, but you should have seen the other truck."

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"Yeah, sure we looked beaten up, but you should have seen the other truck."

This one was all stink from beginning to end, with a couple of trademark John Tavares poached powerplay goals thrown in to temporarily ease the pain. The Islanders didn't show up in the first half, their penalty kill was ineffective (as it always is in front of Martin Biron), and the powerplay didn't come to life until it was too late.

Worst part is, the Islanders chose to lay an egg in a way that gets the Flyers out of their slump, hands them their first bit of affirmation under Peter Laviolette, and lets them leap the Isles in the Atlantic standings. Way to go, guys.

[Update: No, even worse: Two injuries, with Tim Jackman and Sean Bergenheim out for the Toronto game]

Game Sum. | Event Sum. | Recaps: nhl.com | Isles official | BSH



Until the last couple of games, Dwayne Roloson and Martin Biron's surface numbers were relatively similar. But as mentioned a few times here, even before tonight -- when the Islanders killed only two of five Flyers powerplays -- Biron's PK save percentage was considerably lower than Roloson's. Something is going on here:

While Shorthanded Shots Goals Saves Sv %
Roloson 97 9 88 .907
Biron 88 16 72 .818

Tonight's short-side goal by Jeff Carter was a Biron mistake -- and one of the "book" weaknesses oft noted about him. But is that the only explanation? Does simple bad luck have something to do with it? Do the Islanders come out flat (outshot 37-24, 15-5 in the 1st) and have to climb up a hill of bad penalties (and zero goal support) in Biron's games, simply by chance? I can accept that Roloson is the better goalie, but not by this margin.

Not much more to say about this disaster, but I do have a little Chris Pronger retrospective rant to get off my chest, along with video highlights after the jump.

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Chris Pronger: Still a Tool after All These Years.

This is the devil's bargain you sign with Chris Pronger. Watching a decade of his awkward puppy years in St. Louis, where he grew from awkward, spoiled overpaid deer in the headlights to essential team captain and quarterback, I saw this all the time from Pronger: A dumb penalty behind the play, like his not-very-sneaky hit from behind on John Tavares last night, followed by an indignant expression of feigned innocence, as if there is no conceivable way he could have done ANYTHING wrong (Tavares lost a tooth on the play). That, along with a few more second-period Flyers penalties, nearly let the Islanders back in the game last night, briefly changing the game from 4-0 to 4-2. Apparently this will always be Pronger's Achilles heel, but there's simply no need for it.

For the life of me, I will never understand how a 6'4" tower of reach and strength, who can easily demolish and intimidate opponents with legal hits (which in my book always send a FAR more effective message than the cheap team-killing sutff), nonetheless chooses to try to do it with dirty, easy-to-call penalties. He's grown up so much since the days Mike Keenan (of all people) had to shame some sense into him, and yet you know even in his "mature veteran" 30s there will be multiple times this season where he will confound more discerning Flyers fans with dumb penalties that show he still hasn't figured out the balance between hockey intimidation and human douchebaggery. A pitiable trait for a future Hall of Famer, but there you go. We can't design our hockey players in a laboratory.

Next: The End of the Road

So Wednesday the Islanders' epic stint on the road comes to an end. After that, they have 11 of the next 13 games at home to look forward to -- with the only two "road" games at that cozy place in Manhattan. If they're thinking of looking past that challenging road tilt against the Leafs, who are on a 6-2-2 run, in the name of eagerly anticipating home cooking, I hope they think again. The Isles are in 12th place now, just one point above the Panthers and four points over the Leafs (two points with a regulation loss tomorrow).

Please show up, boys.

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We’ve got Carcillo’s antics, which don’t leave enough time in the day to stress about Pronger’s.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 8, 2009 10:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Haha, oh I know. Pronger is 98% pure gain (Carsillo on the other hand…). How he acts like he should get away with the sneaky stuff when he has a bit of a reputation and a record is beyond me. "What, you were watching me?!

You’re just lucky you didn’t have him during his growing years, when Mr. All-Star and Mr. Idiot made nightly appearances.

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by Dominik on Dec 8, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Best quotable part of this blog

 “A pitiable trait for a future Hall of Famer, but there you go. We can’t design our hockey players in a laboratory.”

by Chickendirt on Dec 8, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

witt and sim

ive already written this a good 20 times this season but these guys are clearly not capable nhl players. im not glad he got hit by a truck but im sick of watching witt get burnt every single play its pathetic. he is a million+ dollar pylon at this point in his career. he is a burden on his D partner and the biggest liability since cairns… but at least cairnsy scrapped like a madman and always played the body knowing his role.

sim is as sim does. i dont think i need to elaborate..

put the old gals out to pasture. i would take anyone in our system over these two guys. why not give wotten a shot at some games or give Joensu some minutes on the third line… im not even turning this one into a schremp thing its just so lame seeing these guys represent our team when they might be healthy scratches at the AHL level… of course there is a spot on a young rebuilding team for a few veterans to pave the way and we have a couple of solid ones in Weight Hunter Streit Sutton Park. The thing is these guys are all servicable NHL players that can help the team be decent

someone please get in touch with Garth Snow for me please and tell him to do something about these guys… if your not part of the solution your part of the problem and these guys are clearly not part of the solution… they are just holding down the skill level and monopolizing the ice time so we dont get too good.

we run yashin out of this country but we embrace guys that clearly stink. change the losing culture by discarding the losing players

by Big Swoopty on Dec 9, 2009 2:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Witt is untradeable

we are basically stuck with him until his contract expires…unless he retires I guess. But if he wouldn’t let a Yukon stop him from playing, I don’t see him retiring.

by BCISLEMAN on Dec 9, 2009 4:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see any positive in keeping Yashin any longer then we did. He was nothing but an Albatross and a symbol of everything that was wrong about the Milbury era. The guy was non-existent in the playoffs for his whole career which is one of the stats that will keep him away from the Hall.

And as much as I loved Cairns, I don’t think Cairns in his prime would make this team. Its a new game and a different time from when he was running around like a maniac. You can’t have a penalty liability who can’t play the teams system out there.

Some nights Witt gets burnt, some nights he does okay. Its something we’re going to have to live with until someone better comes along. Even then, Witt may not be the first dman to lose a spot if we trade or promote someone from AHL full time.

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by WebBard on Dec 9, 2009 7:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet you’re right — I bet Meyer goes before Witt does.

Some nights Witt’s passable, on the PK, and other nights, yeesh. Same old issue of him in Gordon’s scheme: It pains me to see him pinch because it usually does not end well (see Hedman’s goal).

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by Dominik on Dec 9, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meyer will probably go after his contract expires if...

they have reason to suppose they will be able to bring up De Haan, Hamonic, and maybe Niemi AND make leveraged trades and FA signings. We are probably just stuck with Witter until his deal expires. We will see about Martinek. I don’t see any significant assets for a rent-a defender. Pick up somebody like Callahan cheap or stand pat. Garth has to think more about the future than about earning a few more points this year. The 2010 draft is going to be pivotal for this franchise and I don’t want Garth to blow it.

by BCISLEMAN on Dec 9, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree on Witt and Sim. I write separately to note that Gervais is absolutely atrocious. And I think my feelings on Sutton as well known.

by AP77 on Dec 9, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been a life-long Yankees fan (balances out the Islanders thing). During Torre’s last year with the team, it got to the point where the GM had to trade terrible players away (Cairo, Proctor, etc) so that Torre would stop playing them and use potentially productive players instead.

I feel similarly about Sim, Witt, Thompson, etc.

by AP77 on Dec 9, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm...

some of us might say that the Islander thing balances out the Yankees thing….but that’s another story.

by BCISLEMAN on Dec 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

During Torre’s last year with the team, it got to the point where the GM had to trade terrible players away (Cairo, Proctor, etc) so that Torre would stop playing them

Isn’t this the inverse situation though? Seems Gordon doesn’t have much choice, at least regarding the blueline. At forward, I’m not nearly high enough on Schremp or Comeau to think their absence is what’s holding the Isles back.

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by Dominik on Dec 9, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On defense, yes. No real options there.

I disagree on the forwards. A small part of me dies every time that I see Jon Sim out there. I’d much rather see Rob Schremp hockey.

But, yeah, it’s not holding the Isles back. They’re simply not a very good team. I’d just prefer to see some guys who could potentially have upside — Schremp, for instance — play rather than Sim, Thompson, etc. And to see those clowns play on special teams is especially galling.

by AP77 on Dec 9, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And to see those clowns play on special teams is especially galling.

I’d like to hear from Gordon (if team management actually talked much, and if we had enough media to force them to) about Sim on the PP. It looks like he’s supposed to do the Moulson role of standing in front of the net, but that hasn’t created much.

I can’t really complain about Thompson on the PK. He’s done his work, and on 5-on-3s in particular, I’d rather him risking life and limb standing in front of shots than a forward who they can’t afford to lose.

I agree Schremp hasn’t gotten much of a shot, but he hasn’t given me reason for hope when I’ve seen him. Still, not sure why they claimed him if they didn’t want to give him a longer trial. Every other handsy youth on the team (except Tavares) has had serious dry spells, too, so why not give Schremp the same chances they get?

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by Dominik on Dec 9, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Rollie is better at keeping the net clear and directing traffic in front then Biron? It feels like a lot of the PP Goals against Biron come down low from an uncovered man.

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by WebBard on Dec 9, 2009 7:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. The PP goals against last night were something awful, hardly Biron’s fault. Maybe Roloson is directing them better, or maybe it’s just one of those samples, I don’t know.

Roloson’s SH save % was better last year, too, but this contrast is something else. Feels like a feedback loop, with them being bad, making Biron look bad, making them look worse…

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by Dominik on Dec 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing about the Pronger hit is that it wasn’t unnecessary or stupid. The Flyers were up big and Pronger hit your best player from behind because he wanted to and because he could.

Why did no one on the Islanders step up and fight Pronger after that? How do you think Tavares feels knowing he can get blatantly cheap shotted while his teammates stare at their feet?

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by Chemmy on Dec 9, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was "watching" on radio

so I do not know if any Islanders were in position to go after Pronger without getting an instigator penalty. JT’s bud Moulson did not hesitate to step in later when Hartnell went after JT. Don’t know if Kyle or JT were on the ice at the time. They have not been shy in the past about stepping up for teammates. Taking a cheap shot because you can doesn’t qualify as unnecessary or stupid? Fact is that was one of several penalties that gave the Isles two quick PP goals and nearly a third. In short, it helped put them back in a game they had no right to be in. So I would have to say that it WAS unnecessary and stupid.

by BCISLEMAN on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In my book, dirty hits are always unnecessary and stupid

They haven’t been bad about protecting Tavares though. On that play, the TV coverage wasn’t thorough for me so I don’t know how clear everyone on the ice was about what happened.

It was stupid and unnecessary, because even at 4-0 he nearly ignited “the rallying point” that could have gotten them back in the game. Pronger just does these things; he thinks they’re very sneaky, I’m sure (judging by his fake shock reactions), but the reality is he’s a beast who could nail people legally, during play, because he wanted to and because he could — and he’d probably earn his own team powerplays from the retaliation instead of putting his own team down with its best penalty killer in the box. Of course, since the NHL doesn’t discipline stars the way they discipline Chris Simons, I’m sure he’s enjoying his leeway, team be damned.

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by Dominik on Dec 9, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jon Sim Hockey

About sums up the Islanders’ “effort” last night.

Tank for Taylor Hall!

by AP77 on Dec 9, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

maybe its just me...

but Witter really looks like a Lord of the Rings extra.

by BCISLEMAN on Dec 9, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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