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Islanders Gameday: Not your father's Thrashers

This trip to Atlanta begins the annual fathers road trip, but these are not your father's Thrashers. These are not the Thrashers of the Don "Punchline" Waddell we used to know. And doggone if they aren't even the Thrashers we saw last month.

Four weeks ago, we had the pleasure of facing an Atlanta team that was reeling with the loss of its captain and leading scorer, leading to a 6-3 Islanders win. Now that Ilya Kovalchuk is back and scorching earth, the Islanders face the third-hottest team in the NHL over their last 10 games (7-1-2). Yipe.

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New York Islanders (10-10-7, t-9th/E) at Atlanta Thrashers (14-7-3, 5th/E)
7 p.m. EST  |  [some Spanish king's name] Arena  |  MSG+, radio

That last meeting became a Battle of the New Young Coaches, with the Islanders outshooting Atlanta 45-34 overall, building a 3-1 1st-period lead on a shot margin of 21-11. But the Thrashers, despite an awful effort, scored enough to remind us they're dangerous. If tonight is a repeat of that sort of shooting gallery with Ilya in the lineup and shot-blocker/penalty killer Andy Sutton not, then look out.

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These Are Not Your Father's Thrashers Goalies

Be not confused, the Thrashers are actually quite strong in goal. Which means the Islanders aren't the only team with the convenient problem of an oft-injured franchise goalie nearing a return. Rick DiPietro is due to return before Kari Lehtonen, but regardless, Lehtonen's return will create an annoying competitor for the Islanders' efforts to pawn an extra goalie off on a desperate team in need. Of course if the Isles aren't able to tie a pretty bow and nicer packaging on Martin Biron's numbers, then other sellers won't be the problem.

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Sure, that's getting ahead of ourselves -- we don't know in what form DiPietro will return, just as the Thrashers don't know how Lehtonen will look after rehabbing injury #218. Still, if a couple of teams need goalie answers in the next few months, it'd sure be nice if the Islanders were the team offering the best solution ... for a steep price.

Do You Know Who Rich Peverley Is?

You should, by now. He was available on waivers last year -- just like Maxim Afinogenov was -- only the difference is someone actually claimed Peverley. Atlanta hasn't regretted it since.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Rich Peverley 24 10 16 26 5 16 6 0 5 0 51 19.6


As far as Afinogenov goes, the easy case to make is that he's been scoring quite nicely -- both he and Peverley are outscoring the Islanders' top scorer -- so the Islanders should have made a run at him over the summer.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Maxim Afinogenov 24 11 14 25 8 20 2 0 1 0 54 20.4

But I can't get past that no other team saw fit to grab Afinogenov both for free late last year nor during the summer free agency period. Atlanta didn't get him until they brought him to camp on a free agent tryout -- and for them, doing everything they can to please Ilya in his walk year, that was a no-brainer. For me, if the Islanders had fellow Russian speakers like Kovalchuk and Nik Antropov for Max to play with, then by all means: Bring him in. It was never a question of whether the man had crazy talent; it was a question of which Afinogenov you were more likely to get.

Given the Islanders' current roster and make-up, at minimum there's no way he would have been as good a fit here as he's been in Atlanta. Worst case, we'd be going through the same weird consistency issues that he saw in Buffalo. Of course, on the other hand, if Snow was willing to take a flier on Rob Schremp -- who has a similar reputation but a far less impressive body of work -- then, um ...?

This Is Not Your Father Doug Weight's Powerplay

The Islanders powerplay is now 1 for its last 28, not having tallied twice in a game since Nov. 14 in Florida. The unit's proficiency has dropped to 17.2%. I've said this before, but the easy answer is they miss Doug Weight's calm presence and vision on the point opposite Mark Streit. I don't mind seeing Kyle Okposo there, but he is a go-go player whereas Weight is a patient puck holder, a guy who can create space for himself (and Streit) just by moving the puck on his blade.

Who else can do that on this team? Is Jack Hillen an answer -- or will opposing penalty killers press Hillen more than they would press Weight, because they grew up watching Weight and they have no idea who this Jack Hillen guy is? This is when a Zach Bogosian would be nice to have, but alas, we'll have to wait a while on that front. Chris Campoli apparently thought he ought to be the next choice, but I notice he was a healthy scratch in Ottawa the other night.

There Will Be Goals

In the last five meetings between Scott Gordon and John Anderson's offensive pedal-to-the-floor teams, the Islanders have scored 17 goals and the Thrashers have scored 20. Yes, combined they average over seven goals a game. Look out, highlight reel, and pity the goalies. (This is why I root for the Gordons, the Andersons, the Boudreaus, the DeBoers and the Bylsmas of the world to have NHL success. No offense, Mr. Lemaire.)

Speaking of goalies, as of this posting I hadn't heard who draws the assignments. So if you hear it, leave it in comments (along with your usual gameday thoughts and such). I know I'd go with Dwayne Roloson -- who faced the Thrashers last time -- against a potent attack, but it's been a very very long time since I coached an NHL game.

Random: Richard Park wore a "non-contact" jersey yesterday, but it's hard to imagine that man letting an injury get in the way of his spot in the lineup. Frans Nielsen (also in "non-contact" chic) is day-to-day, which means the chances are very good for an encore showing of Rob Schremp Hockey.

See some of you tonight in the game thread, if not sooner.

Prediction: Last goal wins, and the fathers have the time of their lives.

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I beleive that the announcement of opening the purse strings coupled with the idea that Ricky will be on his rehab stint was not a simple coincidence. Perhaps the Isles will be talking to Chicago or St Louis in the near future.

I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.

by metalcoconut on Dec 3, 2009 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

I guess I'm a skeptic on that front

I’m pretty suspicious of the whole “opening the purse strings” talk.

As far as I can tell, that all originated from one sentence in a Larry Brooks miscellaneous column where Garth Snow texted Brooks an answer to his question about whether he’d have permission to add payroll for a playoff run. For me, all that means is “no, we are not prohibited from increasing payroll if the right deal comes around” — which in my book is status quo.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Dec 3, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh, you prepared to sell your first-born, second-born, and a lifetime supply of beer? We might have to send them two Cup banners, too.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Dec 3, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Park, Nielsen, Schremp

Katie Strang is tweeting that Park is definitely in, while Nielsen v. Schremp will be a gametime decision. Nielsen told her he’s ready to play tonight.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Dec 3, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure Dom

Atlanta may get nothing and lose him to Free angency

like they say something is better than nothing

by steelermafia on Dec 3, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

For argument’s sake, the going rate for a premium rental like him is more than it could possibly make sense for the Isles to give. Add to that if Kovalchuk didn’t want to sacrifice testing the market to extend his deal in Atlanta, there’s zero reason to expect he’d do that for Long Island.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Dec 3, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

get ready to be creamed tonight,Kovalchuk is back and playing the best hockey of his career! Better be Rolo in net and not Bad-Luck Biron.Excited about KO and JT reunification and shocked to hear Snow say he has permission to add payroll from Wang. Brad Richards maybe?

by Lakewood Islander on Dec 3, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

The way I see it IF they play hard enough, they can beat any team on a given night.
The Isles beat the Pens with Crosby & Malkin just a few days ago, you know?

Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. And last night the Devils were smacked around at home by Vancouver. Today’s NHL, on any given night…

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Dec 3, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

watched most of that… here’s a quoteparaphrased statement from doc emerick at the midway point of the 1st roughly ‘vancouver is all over the devils, reminds me of how the islanders dominated early in the game saturday with their pressuring of the devils defense’ — of course they put 3 goals in vs our 1

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Dec 3, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

of course they put 3 goals in vs our 1

True, but after 60 mins they both went down as a 0-pt loss.

Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Can someone explain to me what Gordon has against Comeau? I thought he showed alot of promise when they originally called him up. Why play Sim who can’t pass over Comeau who can and is just as much of a pest?

by Lakewood Islander on Dec 3, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t want to speak on everyone’s behalf but I beleive that the general concensus is that although Sim has hands of stone and the mentality of a snow plow he continues to be a pest on the forecheck throughout his 1:00 -1:30 minute shifts. So it is not so much that Gordon has something against Comeau it is more the fact that Sim has shown that he has more energy and Gordon is looking for that kind of play in his system. If Comeau stuck to his man like Sim sticks to his, he would probably get more opportunities. As for now Go-Go plays Sim because he is comfortable with the thought that Sim is going to be high energy almost everytime he is on the ice. Just look at the Tambellini situation for more examples.

Just for the record, I would love to see Comeau play in Sim’s spot (I would love to see anyone play in Sim’s spot) but I guess you just have to trust the coach in that he knows what he is looking for and knows what he is going to get from his players. The only relief that I take from this is that it is a rebuilding year and Gordon is getting more out of these players than most peoples’ expectations for the season.

Always look on the bright side of life!

I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.

by metalcoconut on Dec 3, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well put!

Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you. I did not want to presume to speak for everyone’s opinion but everyone seems to have that sort of outlook from what I have seen on this board thus far.

I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.

by metalcoconut on Dec 4, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

In the game tonight Sim did a good job of showing why he is valuable. And I dont mean getting SOG I mean that penalty he drew on the blue line. Very nice.

Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 4, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

A team that goes to the shootout as much as the isles must have a specialist like Tambellini in it every night. Im ok with SG as far as motivation but not in terms of Defense,toughness and the Lineups. GET RID OF SIM AND GERVAIS! everyone else I could live with-for now…

by Lakewood Islander on Dec 3, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The Shootout Arguements

I keep hearing the argument that this one or that one should be in because he would be good for the shootout considering how many the Islanders have gotten into.

In fairness, I’d rather play to win during the 60 minutes and 5 minutes of OT then play for the shootout. If Sim gives us a better chance to win during the 65 minutes then Comeau or Schremp then play Sim for all its worth. There’s no reason to go into games hoping for a tie game and tie overtime.

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by Mark D on Dec 3, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

John Anderson is not exactly “young” … FYI :)

by Arbourisgod on Dec 3, 2009 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

I was wondering if someone would call me on that.

I was being lazy and using “young” as in new to the league. I remember when Anderson played, therefore I shall call him young whenever I please!

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Dec 3, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Its nice to see even non-Thrashers fans taking notice of our two cheap additions on a hot streak: Peverley and Afinogenov. As someone who watches this team closely, I can tell you that we got these additions because they were underrated (which you already knew) but also because they have great chemistry with our top 6 players. Kovalchuk now has someone else to rely on in taking the puck into the zone with speed (Afinogenov), and our other non-physical forwards have a hard net crasher like Peverley to rely on. These guys happen to meet our needs exactly.

by ThrashersRecaps on Dec 3, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks but I hope the Rashers play a miserable game tonight.LETS GO ISLES!

by Lakewood Islander on Dec 3, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Really was a perfect match for each, wasn’t it? I was actually surprised Atlanta waited to invite Afinogenov in — I thought if he’d fit anywhere, it’d be alongside a guy like Kovalchuk.

Afinogenov can be such a tricky, unpredictable player — which by definition makes coaches nervous, heh — but with the right linemate he can make sweet music.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Dec 3, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Believe it or Not

Its been 7 games since our last OT. I call tonight a OTL with a loss in the shootout. Islanders play a miserable game untill the 3rd and tie it up.

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by Mark D on Dec 3, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

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