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Islanders All-Decade Team: The Defensemen

Our fabrication of an Islandes All-Decade Team for the 2000s continues with the defensemen. For the all-decade goalie post and vote, go here.

For my money, three of the better Islanders defensemen made a hell of a trio at the beginning of the decade, while the fourth one only pulled on the NYI crest at the tail end of this span but is fast rising up the decade's points and games played list.

Points -- and points per game -- isn't really the ideal way to rank defensemen, but with the discussion of blueliner quality being so multi-faceted, it's the best shorthand we've got. Plus, while the first job of a defenseman is to help keep pucks out of the net, the ones who are truly elite bring offense to the table, too. As for the balance between one and the other -- we can call that "The Marc-Andre Bergeron Question" -- that's a debate that shall rage on 'till the end of time.

After the jump (which is after the poll, if you're on the main page), some stats for the blueliners who have tallied the most points and games played. You can only vote for one defenseman in this poll, but that software limitation may have an unintended benefit: We'll simply name the top two vote getters to our team.

Star-divide

Speaking of the many incomplete ways to judge defensemen, the plus/minus tally on this list features some real howlers (introducing Brendan Witt, Chris Campoli, Bruno Gervais and Eric Cairns: a collective minus-162 as Islanders!) -- and speaks to how plus/minus must always be considered in the context of the roster a player is on.

For example, Roman Hamrlik and Kenny Jonsson were each plus-10 for their Isles careers, playing for four different coaches in four seasons on teams that, total, gave up 54 more goals than they scored. Brendan Witt is minus-47 for his Islanders career, playing parts of four seasons for two coaches on teams that have given up 149 more goals than they scored (as of Dec. 21, 2009). Witt's total isn't just hurt by the fact he's not an offensive defenseman and he's not a fit for Scott Gordon's system -- it's also affected by the fact the Islanders squads he's been on have bled goals.

PlayerFromToGPGAPTS+/-PIMESGPPGSHGGWGSOGG/GA/GPTS/G
1 Roman Hamrlik 2001 2004 300 43 110 153 10 325 27 14 2 9 734 0.14 0.37 0.51
2 Kenny Jonsson 2001 2004 291 31 85 116 10 102 16 13 2 2 412 0.11 0.29 0.4
3 Adrian Aucoin 2002 2004 235 33 80 113 47 186 17 16 0 4 620 0.14 0.34 0.48
4 Radek Martinek 2002 2010 389 18 69 87 -5 237 16 1 1 4 439 0.05 0.18 0.22
5 Chris Campoli 2006 2009 228 20 63 83 -40 128 14 4 2 4 285 0.09 0.28 0.36
6 Mark Streit 2009 2010 111 20 54 74 4 92 7 12 1 1 227 0.18 0.49 0.67
7 Bruno Gervais 2006 2010 238 6 45 51 -43 113 5 1 0 1 240 0.03 0.19 0.21
8 Janne Niinimaa 2003 2006 136 11 33 44 3 140 6 5 0 2 131 0.08 0.24 0.32
9 Tom Poti 2007 2007 78 6 38 44 -1 74 0 6 0 1 134 0.08 0.49 0.56
10 Alexei Zhitnik 2006 2007 89 7 33 40 17 128 4 3 0 1 148 0.08 0.37 0.45
11 Marc-Andre Bergeron 2007 2008 69 15 24 39 -9 26 3 12 0 2 151 0.22 0.35 0.57
12 Brendan Witt 2007 2010 239 5 29 34 -47 317 5 0 0 0 205 0.02 0.12 0.14
13 Freddy Meyer 2007 2010 141 7 23 30 -19 80 7 0 0 3 123 0.05 0.16 0.21
14 Brent Sopel 2006 2006 57 2 25 27 -9 64 0 2 0 0 121 0.04 0.44 0.47
15 Sean Hill 2007 2007 81 1 24 25 6 110 1 0 0 0 88 0.01 0.3 0.31
16 Eric Cairns 2001 2004 251 7 17 24 -32 595 7 0 0 1 110 0.03 0.07 0.1
17 Andy Sutton 2008 2010 112 6 18 24 -1 162 6 0 0 1 106 0.05 0.16 0.21
18 Bryan Berard 2008 2008 54 5 17 22 -17 48 1 4 0 2 87 0.09 0.31 0.41
19 Garry Galley 2001 2001 56 6 14 20 -4 59 2 4 0 0 94 0.11 0.25 0.36
20 Dick Tarnstrom 2002 2002 62 3 16 19 -12 38 3 0 0 0 59 0.05 0.26 0.31

First let me tell you, for comedy's sake it was really hard to know where to cut this list off. A 56-player list doesn't look so hot on this page, so I encourage you to go to Hockey-Reference for the full list, where you'll find promising current Islander Jack Hillen just below the cutoff, along with Zdeno Chara, whose Islanders tenure just nipped into this decade.

Plus, you've got your Deron Quints, Brett Skinners, Mathieu Birons and the Great Alexander Karpovtsev. So you've got that goin' for ya ... which is nice.

As for who deserves your All-Decade vote? I'm not sure what criteria should push you over the edge. Longevity? Number of years in a uniform? Who was absolute best in an Isles uniform, regardless of time? Or simply who is the best defenseman you'd want in his prime (in which case Chara enters the debate)?

I'd probably have three different answers for each of those questions. While "longevity" and "Radek Martinek" rarely appear in the same sentence, he has ironically had the longest tenure both in years and in {shock!} games played; in some ways he aptly represents the decade. For lengthy stellar tenure, I'd give the nod to Kenny Jonsson -- though I can see a compelling argument for Hamrlik and Aucoin as well. I may be choosing Kenny over Roman strictly for likability reasons.

(Speaking of Aucoin, when I whine about the summer 2009 missed opportunity to upgrade the blueline, he's who I most have in mind. While you never know where a player is interested in heading, for my money if Aucoin was willing to go to the uncertain desert, he could have been talked into returning to the Island, allowing the Isles to twice buy low and potentially sell high on the guy. Just imagine the powerplay with him and Streit at the points.)

Anyway, for the final question of who is the best defenseman overall, despite his regression this year I'm still tempted to say Mark Streit. He's the highest points-per-game producer of the bunch, he's an undeniable two-way threat, and although he's only been with the team for a year and a half, he's got the sixth most blueline points on this list and has already logged 111 games. But again, I'm prone to a recency/likability bias.

I can't tell you how to vote. Favorite player? Representative of the decade as a whole? Best pure guy? It's your call. Write-ins, explanations, and remorse over what could have been are also encouraged in comments.

Poll
Who is your first pick for defense on the Islanders 2000s All-Decade Team?
Hamrlik - Most points tops the list
27 votes
Jonsson - An all-around threat and reminder of some good times
211 votes
Aucoin - Was here for less time, but man that cannon racked up points
89 votes
Streit - A recent addition, but top-drawer two-way quality
58 votes
Witt - A vote for "the Warrior" for time served and blood shed
26 votes
Martinek - Most games played (really!) and symbolizes the ups and downs of the whole decade
17 votes

428 votes | Poll has closed

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take witt of that vote

if your going with the warrior angle its easily cairns over witt for that spot on the vote… the hammer aucoin combo with ozzy in the pipes was some of my most relaxed moments watching islander hockey… the lockout stole kenny johnson from us he was awesome too. Those were the good ol’ days where we played a grinding style but actually had tremendous defense to support those grinders. Id like to see how bad Wiemer and Scatchard would look when they have to skate in front of the sweet tandem of Witt and Gervais…. Kvasha would have retired

by Big Swoopty on Dec 22, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

the hammer aucoin combo with ozzy in the pipes was some of my most relaxed moments watching islander hockey

I can definitely relate to that.

But Cairns over Witt in “the warrior” category? Meh, I know Cairns would take on anyone at any time, but I was more thinking of a guy who put it all on the line and could (in his prime) hold his own. Comparing their peak forms in an Isles uni, that description easily goes to Witt for me.

But hey, that’s why I welcome the write-in categories. Definitely no monopoly on which direction to go on this ambiguous topic.

Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.

by Dominik on Dec 22, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Dom, great write-up, those are some eye popping stats. Consider the +/- of those men up there (and these are the choice D-men no less)…. that’s rough.

I gave it up for Aucoin. loved when that guy was on the ice, he was a daft and dynamic player who was effective on both ends of the ice. I think Streit will become “that guy” but he’s so recent it’s hard to put him on a decade team yet. Brings back memories for sure though.

by albeezle on Dec 22, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

I love debates like this because they really tap into the amorphous, subjective quality of being a fan. I mean, as soon as I leave my vote, I start thinking, “Gosh, but you really got a jolt from Aucoin in top form.”

Another part of the Aucoin story I love, but which has nothing to do with this: I thought it was fantastic that Chicago piled money on his doorstep and was left disappointed. Just felt like we got the best of the guy, in the right situation. With the way he played last year, I’d have loved to have him back.

Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.

by Dominik on Dec 22, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no way that Martinek has played the most games, regardless of what your lying statistics say.

by AP77 on Dec 22, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Also

You and I define “good times” differently, Dom.

by AP77 on Dec 22, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

LOL. It sounded better than “some times that weren’t as miserable as other times.”

On Martinek: I had to double-check myself. And maybe I fudged the numbers to fit my own pan-Czechism agenda.

Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.

by Dominik on Dec 23, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

i still miss kenny jonsson

wow, is this really all we have to sift through in a whole decade?

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Dec 23, 2009 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

Sadly, yes. Cue carnival organ…

Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.

by Dominik on Dec 23, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Of all the defensemen since.....

…..Adrian Aucoin reminded me of Denis, in terms of all-around game and shot…..Streit also has similarities to Potvin but, that said, nobody in Islanders blueline history could break a game wide open like Baby Bear….I never was a Coffey fan at all but that was one aspect he shared with both he and Orr; they could change the direction of a game with on a moment’s notice – that, more than anything else, makes Denis one of the all-time hockey greats…..I highly doubt that Adrian would come back given the way he was shipped out by Milbury – despite his graciousness, but imagine what a great mentor he’d be for deHaan and Hamonic – he could also take off some of the pressure that’s clearly compromised Streit’s game this season (I dare say that the primary reason Mark excelled so much last year was Weight, and his absence directly correlates with Mark’s inconsistency this season…..)

Always appreciated KJ’s integrity and have come to feel that the late Nineties ‘losing culture’ finally got to him in the end, that when there was no real building upon the 2001-2002 season success and Laviolette was shown the door, he gave up and the lockout provided a perfect excuse to bail…..Z? DON’T get me started; I will NEVER forgive Milbury for his callowness no matter how scintillating The Rick was (yes, I was there for that draft party and the collective, ‘Huhhhhhhhh????’ was almost audible…..)

One last note: among all-time Islanders defenseman, one person who hasn’t ever seemed to be adequately recognized is Doug Crossman, with 66 points in 96 games, giving him by FAR the best points-per-game ratio behind Denis (Tomas Jonsson and Stefan Persson are right behind him with less distorted figures)….we got a great player in exchange from the Whalers with Ray Ferraro, but I remember Doug as being as personable as any that ever played for this team…..

by ogam5 on Dec 23, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

I will NEVER forgive Milbury for his callowness no matter how scintillating The Rick was (yes, I was there for that draft party and the collective, ‘Huhhhhhhhh????’ was almost audible…..)

Yikes.

Crossman, now there’s a name I haven’t thought of in a loong time. Didn’t realize it, but that full year with the Isles was by far his most productive year.

Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.

by Dominik on Dec 23, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Off-the-wall Hawaii Five-O note.....

…..a trait he shared with the similarly-named Doug Mossman, whose primary role was Frank Kamana….hey, I bring whut I gotz:)

by ogam5 on Dec 23, 2009 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

My pairings:

Aucoin-Martinek
Streit-Jonsson
Hamrlik-Witt

NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.

by PSUdevon on Dec 23, 2009 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

Who is #7

…to filli in when Martinek gets hurt?

Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.

by Dominik on Dec 23, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

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