Jon Sim: Your chief penalty drawer
I was wondering about the Islanders' struggling penalty kill, and the notion occurred to me that Mark Streit has been taking a lot of penalties this year: Could his presence in the box be hurting the penalty kill? Perhaps. As the team's best overall defenseman, Streit is also the Islanders' best penalty killing blueliner, so putting him in the box is a double-whammy. But in terms of PK time per game, he actually sees less time than Andy Sutton, Brendan Witt, Bruno Gervais and Jack Hillen.
As it turns out, my perception was wrong: Streit isn't taking any more penalties than he took last year: He had 31 minors in 74 games last year; he has 15 in 36 games this year. So that theory dies on the vine. (Incidentally, Streit's penalties taken per 60 minutes (5-on-5) is similar to Hillen's but less than Witt's and Freddy Meyer's. Defensemen inevitably take more penalties; the better ones take fewer of them without giving up goals.)
But what I did notice when checking out Behind the Net's penalties drawn/taken data could be a counter-argument, or at least a bit of explanation, to the Sim-haters: Jon Sim has drawn the most penalties on the team this year (12), and better yet, he's committed only half as many (6) as he's drawn. Which speaks to Scott Gordon's quote after the win over the Rangers:
"It's a rivalry where you want your guys to play hard and play between the whistles, and [Sim] does a great job with that. He certainly draws more penalties than he takes..."
That Behind the Net link is solely for 5-on-5 play, so it doesn't perfectly match what you'll find in the NHL's totals. (For example, that table lists John Tavares as having taken one penalty and drawn eight, while the NHL lists him as having taken four -- at least two of those have been while the Islanders were on the powerplay, 5-on-4.)
Nonetheless, it's worth a look, as it shows some of the Islanders forwards who draw a whole lot more than they commit, including {ahem} Sim. Other Islanders forwards who look good: Sean Bergenheim, taking 3 and drawing 10; Josh Bailey (3-8); and Richard Park (5-9), who's always good in this category.
| Dec. 20, 2009 | Taken | Drawn | Taken/60 (5-on-5) |
Drawn/60 |
| Sim | 6 | 12 | 1.0 | 2.0 |
| Okposo | 7 | 10 | 0.9 | 1.3 |
| Bergenheim | 3 | 10 | 0.5 | 1.6 |
| Park | 5 | 9 | 0.7 | 1.3 |
| Bailey | 3 | 8 | 0.5 | 1.3 |
One guy whose ratio doesn't look quite as good is Kyle Okposo (7-10). Players like him and Bergenheim tend to draw more than they take simply because they never stop moving their feet (whereas Tavares draws them because opponents generally crap their pants when he has the puck). But in this category, Okposo was much better last year (11 taken, 20 drawn).
Witt Giveth, Witt Taketh Away
Among defensemen, whose figures here are always lopsided, one guy stands out: Brendan Witt has taken a lot (even more than Streit, per 60 minutes of 5-on-5), but he's also drawn a lot: 10 taken, 8 drawn. That might speak to the physical side Witt brings; he not only crosses the line -- as all defensemen not named Nicklas do -- he also gets other players to cross the line in retaliation.
I'm as concerned about Witt's fit in Scott Gordon's scheme as the next guy, but I do recognize that he along with Sutton, Bergenheim and Sim bring some of the agitation that is needed to make sure other teams don't think you're too easy to play against. That the Islanders employ less-than-ideal options in many of these roles comes with the rebuilding territory, I'm afraid.
Don't Draw, Just Score
Now, there's a bit of luck and automated accounting (dependent on NHL game sheets) involved in this -- not to mention the perils of referees' all-too-human judgment, which has screwed more than a handful of Islanders in the last few games. And this is not exactly a defense of Sim, at least not a defense of him appearing on the powerplay.
But in terms of fourth-liners and agitators, you want guys who can do their jobs without handicapping you by taking penalties. All concerns about Sim's use aside -- sometimes he's not on the fourth line, which is what bugs people -- Sim is doing what Gordon asks of him: Going to the net, ticking opponents off, drawing penalties. That doesn't explain why he sometimes appears on the powerplay or on Josh Bailey's wing. But it just might speak to why Gordon keeps putting him in the lineup for a spot that usually amounts to just 10 minutes per game.
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Thanks for the attempt to justify the Sim experience. However, no mapper what Gordon manages to see in him I’m sure all the fans will ever see are the amazing hands of stone that he possesses. Somewhere Calude Lapointe is laughing right now saying, “If only I was a little younger.”
What do you call a rivalry without a rival?
Hey, I had to try! Gotta take an alternative look every once in a while…
Speaking of LaPointe, not to make light of it, but I hope he’s smiling these days. He battled depression and drugs at the end of his career.
Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.
Yeah I heard that too. However that is what happens when you go to Philly…just kidding. He was actually one of my favorites. You could see that he never quit, he hit everything in sight and best of all, unlike our current members, HE was a breakaway threat. I really wish I could say that for Park or Sim. However, I do like Park it is just unfortunate that his abilities seem to be going downhill.
What do you call a rivalry without a rival?
by metalcoconut on Dec 21, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
more Streit/Meyer, less Witt/Gervais
I don’t think Streit’s 15 penalties have kept him off the PK. Witt and Gervais simply have been preferred by Gordon. In some games with lots of penalties on either side, a couple of 4-on-4’s also for example, it obviously might be better to give Streit a rest, when being shorthanded. But lately, despite being rested, Streit has mostly been on the PK only, when either Sutton, Hillen, Witt or Gervais were in the box. I don’t get that… Streit has generally not had a very good season so far, but he’s still been solid overall and, for his standards, the most effective part of this game might even have been 4-on-5. Anyway, Witt and Gervais have been worse overall as well as on the PK and I don’t see the team improving much on the PK, if the PK times won’t be changed. I’d even have Meyer ahead of Witt and Gervais. Meyer had good PK stats last season and has been quite ok also this year.
As for the forwards, a few changes might help, as well. Park and Thompson have had more and more PK time since Bergenheim’s injury and we all know the result… Bergenheim hopefully will be back soon, he’s been a pretty big miss, but other than that, I’d like to see more PK time for Nielsen especially and perhaps for Comeau also.
Regarding Witt, 8 penalties drawn is quite good indeed and more than I expected. But well, two were in the season opener, a couple others might have been conincidental roughing calls and he after all might not have helped the team too much here lately, either. Especially if we take into account the 3 penalties taken while shorthanded. That of course is another reason, why to take PK time away from Witt – or even better scratch him.
Bergenheim hopefully will be back soon, he’s been a pretty big miss, but other than that, I’d like to see more PK time for Nielsen especially and perhaps for Comeau also.
Agree with most of it but this especially. Bergenheim’s absence hurts. Wouldn’t mind seeing Nielsen get more PK time and free up more EV time for Bailey (if/when he returns to center).
Of course every game has different situations. But I can’t help thinking some of those guys, particularly on the blueline, end up with more PK time almost by default. Not enough above-average players to go around.
Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.
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Before the NHL started tracking penalties drawn I did it for myself for the Atlanta Thrashers. Jon Sim was one of the most effective forwards during his last season in Atlanta. So this is not an anomaly for him. I always liked Simmer.
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I liked him, too — back when he could pop in the occasional goal! Isles fans are pretty hard on him these days, as he’s had his share of golden chances not buried. I really think a season-ending knee injury and rehab 2.5 years ago set him back, so we never got to see the best of what he had to offer.
Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.
good point, i dont want a lot, but 18-22 goals between sim and park combined isn’t unreasonable to ask for is it?? they’re pacing out to like 11 combined…
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
At some point you just have to cut your losses and try a newbie. However, Sim manages to stay in Gordon’s good graces. Perhaps someone should buy Sim some Isotoners for Christmas. Maybe that will help.
What do you call a rivalry without a rival?
by metalcoconut on Dec 21, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
The irony is rich with the contrast between last year’s Banish Sim to Bridgeport and this year’s campaign.
Isotoners make a nice gift.
Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.
the thing is im not hard on him because of him missing opportunities im hard on him because i have to watch him instead of tambellini , smith , or to take it a step further the fact that im watching him instead of kovalev… good no sign by snow this summer , we couldnt use one of the best offensive players of this generation to boost our stinky powerplay and take some pressure off of tavares shoulders
Yeah, I didn’t mean to omit that argument in my reply (though I mentioned it in the main post).
Tambellini is one issue, but Smith? Not sure what the faith is there.
Kovalev didn’t want to leave Montreal, took a lot of money to go to Ottawa — and would have required even more money to come to a club like the Islanders. Like some sort of Paul Kariya money, with likely similar results. I guess he would have been a nice help to the powerplay, but he didn’t sound like a realistic or sensible target to me, given his tendency to completely disappear for games at a time and suck the life out of a place when things aren’t going well.
Lighthouse Hockey: Eyes on Tavares, mug full of Moulson.

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