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Jesse Joensuu, how do you duu?

I hate to see injuries, but at this point in the Islanders rebuild cycle, I do love the opportunities they create. In Toronto, it gave Rob Schremp another chance to show what he could do -- and I thought he did quite well. Didn't look overmatched in limited minutes on the fourth line and, more importantly, he provided a different look to the Islanders' struggling powerplay.

But of course, I knew better than to expect that look would remain. As of this posting, we still don't know the extent of injuries to Sean Bergenheim and Tim Jackman, but Bergenheim is on IR. So Jesse "Yes Finns can be named Jesse too" Joensuu likely takes his role, minus Bergie's PK work.

Since Scott Gordon will only use Schremp as a center, his appearance in Toronto was by pure numbers necessity, bumping Nate Thompson to the wing. Could that situation continue? Before a few minutes ago I'd have said: Unlikely. (Blake Comeau's EV ice time last game: 12:34. Schremp's: 6:46.) So if I were guessing: A Finn Named Jesse fills a true wing spot, Thompson goes back to center, and Schremp goes back to watching.

However, get a load of the lines from today's practice, as reported by Chris Botta: Schremp centering Jesse and Hunter, Bailey on Frans's left wing with Okposo, and Matt Mo/JT with Blake Comeau. Jeff Tambellini an extra. Go figure. Maybe Gordon is ticked enough by this three-game losing streak to mix things up.

Joensuu, incidentally, according to Mike Fornabaio on the Sound Tigers beat, is: "A far sight from the tentative mess he was a month and change ago ... Joensuu is 4-5-9 in the past 11, including his 1-2-3 night Saturday."

A little more about Joensuu, who I've always hoped would make it simply because his name is fun to say albeit an outright terror to spell (Seriously. I know English is a language of bastardized words and random spelling, but why do the Finns always doouuble their voowels and conssonnannts, except when they don't feel liikke it?):

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Jesse Joensuu

#58 / Right Wing / New York Islanders

6-4

207

Oct 05, 1987

Drafted: 2006, 60th overall

Bridgeport (AHL, 09-10): 28 GP, 5 G, 11 A, +1

NHL (08-09): 7 GP, 1 G, 2 A, -1


In his brief call-ups with the Islanders at the end of last season, he saw seven games (four from March 2 - 8, then three from April 4 - 9), averaging just under 12 minutes of 5-on-5 ice time per game. At 5-on-5, he was on for three goals for -- having a hand in each of them -- and for four goals against. In terms of shot directed at the other net versus shots directed at the Isles net while he was on the ice, he measured up pretty well, but that's a small sample size relative to the other guys in that Behind The Net link.

The Dream of a Would-Be NHLer

Joensuu was a 20-goal scorer last year in the AHL -- only one of those came on the powerplay. So combine that with his size and you have that big body with hands that gets people dreaming. Such candidacies are a dime a dozen in North American hockey circles: "There's this guy, hulking body from Finland, you don't know much about him, but man if he puts it together..."

That's not to devalue what he might become. It's just recognizing that at this level, where only the cream of the cream of the cream rises to the top to even sniff the NHL, there are a lot of suitors for a few jobs. And a lot of tough stories and near-misses.

Which is why two years ago the thought was we have to get Jesse out of Finland or he'll never develop. Then last year the thought was my god, what an AHL season he's having, get him on up here! Then after this year's camp and slow start in Bridgeport the thought was "Will he ever figure it out?" And now a turnaround in his play over the last month brings us back to that salivating part. So get well, Bergie -- but don't rush it, because we have tinkering to do.

Adding one more wrinkle: No idea how much ice time Jesse will get. You'd think they brought him up to give him more than a fourth-line shot, and him lining up with Schremp and Trent Hunter in practice reinforces that. But then you'd think a lot of things.

The fun is in watching how it all plays out.

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Blake over Jeff??

I guess this is another case of Gordon expecting a physical game so he is going to limit his skill to try and play the other teams game. Even though Tambellini has shown more of a consistant effort of sustained physical play(not the occasional big hit like Comeau). I have been begging for a chance to see Tambi get up there on the top line where I believe he has never been this season but Comeau has been with those two a few times I believe with weak results.

If Gordon thinks he is gonna get anything out of a fourth line with Park Thomspon and SIM??? he is extremely mistaken. Park and Nate are both extremely hard workers with very limited finishing ability… seems like the perfect spot to throw in a young sniper who has finished a few times this year.

I like the lines other than Tambi being put aside for either of the two wingers. I have wanted to see Bailey play wing for a while now. I think if anything this will enhance his development and his durability being able to play with two offensively skilled defensively responsible forwards is the best thing he could hope for. If he has to do that at wing then so be it. Joensuu played well last year and im definitely excited to see him get out there this season

by Big Swoopty on Dec 11, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

I’m excited to see Joensuu again, too. Sounds like he’s ready to give it a solid crack — I hope he gets a real opportunity. All of those lines are very subject to change, so we’ll see.

If Gordon thinks he is gonna get anything out of a fourth line with Park Thomspon and SIM??? he is extremely mistaken. Park and Nate are both extremely hard workers with very limited finishing ability… seems like the perfect spot to throw in a young sniper who has finished a few times this year.

I think this is the same problem we run into a lot, though: The fourth line won’t get a lot of minutes, period. It’s almost the carrying case for two penalty killers (Park and Thompson), so in one sense I don’t mind having Sim down there rather than burying a youngster whose groove will be elusive when he’s getting no TOI and no talent to play with.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Dec 11, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

true but somethings better than nothing. if its a choice between burying him on the fourth with limited even strength and some powerplay time id take that over burying him in the owners sweet watching one of the worst players in islander history.

It comes down to who do you think will help the team have a better chance to win game in and game out and thats a no brainer. You field the best team you can every game and then if someone ahead of him gets hurt you bump his minutes and insert the lesser player in his role…. i really think there could be something goin on behind the scenes keeping Jon Sim in the line-up. Like maybe Gordon lost a bet to him or Sim donated a kidney to Gordons grandfather… Because the way I’ve seen it there is no on-ice reason for him to stay out there

by Big Swoopty on Dec 11, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

true but somethings better than nothing.

Agreed, you have to find a balance. At the other end of that spectrum is the “they’re turning Josh Bailey into a third-line center” idea — which I don’t subscribe to, but there is that thought out there: That “oh, you play a talent in limited minutes, you’re just suffocating his development.” I think coaches like to have their Sims because they (think they) can count on them as known quantities.

watching one of the worst players in islander history.

Objection, your honor! There are so many worse names to choose from :) Funny to see Sim and Jokinen with identical career stats as Islanders.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Dec 12, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

statistics vs on ice performances though my friend… granted im 23 so I didn’t get to witness the glory days first hand but I am pretty sure one of the best teams in sports history didn’t have anyone on his level. From what I’ve seen there is no single player that makes me feel that if I took skating lessons for a few weeks that I would be in the NHL any more than stinky Sim. Sometimes you gotta put up with stinkers to see if they will develop into something more like in Jokinen’s case and every other prospect sometimes.

Sim has some potential too… the potential to make me throw my remote through the TV and think Gordon is clueless

by Big Swoopty on Dec 12, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I wasn’t meaning anything more than Sim and Jokinen with identical career stats for the NYI looked odd — made me laugh … made me cry. Incidentally, Jokinen and Bertuzzi are two that I’m not sure would have ever found their stride had they not been dumped. Doesn’t make me feel any better about how cheaply they were sold, but … well they each did and still have issues.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Dec 12, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder....

could Garth move Sim down to Bridgeport and move Trevor Gillies up in his stead?

by BCISLEMAN on Dec 14, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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