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Islanders Gameday: Here be Devils. And Elias, too?

Two summers ago, the Islanders' long-overdue commitment to a rebuild crystallized something for me as a hockey fan: The joy is the journey. Could I put up with some serious losing for a greater long-term goal? Turns out, yes I can -- particularly if it alters the static stopgap course the franchise was on.

"Winning is everything" is the oft-applied militaristic cliche -- but if winning is indeed "everything," then most fans experience "nothing" most of the time. Even if you're winning more often than not (ooh! shootout points!), you're usually not winning the Cup. And if "winning is everything," then even the Cup is but a fleeting moment, quickly followed by a return to the emptiness, apparently, of "nothing."

Yep, the joy is in the journey. Which is why I'm already getting a kick out of this squad's growing pains, its progress in fits and starts. 

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Islanders of Nassau (5-5-5, 5th/Atl) vs. Devils of Newark (9-4-0, 3rd/Atl)
7 p.m. EST  |   The Rock   |   MSG+/+2 (twice the plus!)
Place of Misplaced Worship: In Lou We Trust

Questions from last night were Islanders-focused, so we'll focus this bit on the opposition. Here's John's In Lou We Trust preview, which notes the Devils are an injured squad -- the "other" Niedermayer being the latest -- but they're quite likely getting Patrik Elias back tonight.

Meanwhile, this is Scott Gordon's second encounter with the dark sith, Jacques Lemaire. Last year's encounter, a 6-2 loss to the Wild, did not go well. But that one featured Yann Danis in Islanders blue, whereas tonight he gets the nod in Devils red.

[Update: I ended up getting some Q&A's from John regarding the Devils, Lemaire, Danis, Niedermayer. They're added after the jump, and worth a look.]

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My Q's for John:

1. Brent Sutter and Jacques Lemaire: I know the word is that Lemaire is not such a trapper anymore. But how's the transition going? Has he been able to blend elements of Sutter's more aggressive approach with traditional Lemaire lock-down hockey?

John, ILWT: The transition seems to going much better after 13 games. With respect to blending styles, if you can believe it, prior to the injuries to Paul Martin and Johnny Oduya, Lemaire was actually more aggressive than Sutter in some regards. For example, Lemaire has been putting out power play units of at least 4 forwards on both units in attempts to jump start the offense. Lemaire has the defensemen leading breakouts as well as encouraging them to go deep in the offensive zone if necessary. With those two out, Lemaire has dialed that back a bit, but the defense still comes in deep more often than you'd expect - especially from Andy Greene.

I recently noticed the Devils sometimes drop into a 1-2-2 but it's not something they do consistently, and I don't think he'd use it as much if Martin was healthy. With only 4 veteran defensemen on the blueline, it makes sense to be a bit more conservative on defense. Lemaire likes to throw different looks with respect offense. Whereas Sutter's style had the Devils dump it in and win the puck down low with physical play leading to cycles; the Devils don't automatically do that everytime they have the puck going forward. This at least keeps the opposition defenses somewhat honest. I think Lemaire's strategies will flourish when the Devils become fully healthy.

2. Rob "The Other" Niedermayer: I see he's put up a little offense, special teams work and faceoff success. Are you pleased? Seems like a coup in terms of a late signing who immediately plays his role well?

Devils fans shouldn't be anything but pleased with Niedermayer's play at center.  He's more of a checking defenseman but he hasn't looked out of place when moved off the third line for some shifts.  His defensive awareness is useful, his skills on the PK have been helpful, and his production is excellent for the 14-16 minutes he does play on average.  It was a very smart signing. It's a shame he'll be out tonight and tomorrow at a minimum.

3. Yann Danis: I had to ask. I know we talked about him a bit over the summer, and he's only been in one game, but what's your gut feeling on how he's going to work out? The traditional "I'm good here but not elsewhere" Clemmensen experience?

I think he'll work out well. He looked very good on the road against Boston. I didn't think he was at fault for the sole goal against and he was always in position for nearly every other shot by Boston.   liked his lateral movement and that he was so calm after not playing since preseason. I think he'll work out as a back-up goaltender, someone who can spell Brodeur for a few games - and that's really it.  Do I think he'll have a long future? With a one-year deal, I doubt he'll have it in New Jersey. But I think he has the skills to be a 1A goalie or the #2 goalie in a two-goalie tandem team somewhere else.

4. The Devils are off to a strong start, and that's without Elias. With him coming back, what's the ceiling for this team in the regular season? Who gets bumped out of the lineup (once everyone's healthy)? Will they improve on last year's version?

I doubt the Devils will improve on their franchise mark of 51 wins last season. That's just such a high mark to achieve that I think it's unfair to the Devils to hope they'll meet or surpass it just when Elias (and everyone else) returns.  But I do think the division title is certainly possible with a fully healthy lineup and that's really the ceiling.  Not the conference, and certainly not the league; but winning the division is possible.

Once Elias (and Pandolfo and Niedermayer) are back, I see Matt Halischuk returning to Lowell and either one of Andrew Peters and Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond. Between the two, I expect it to be Peters since he's not featured as of late (though he'll play tonight).  When Martin and Oduya returns to the blueline, Jay Leach and either one of Cory Murphy or Mark Fraser will be sent down to Lowell as I don't see the Devils carrying more than 7 defensemen at a time on their active roster.

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Can Lemaire be one of the best at upsetting the Islanders scheme under Scott Gordon? You have to believe he'd relish the opportunity. If Brent Sutter was more of an old school sand-and-grit guy, Lemaire relishes the X's and O's. Hard to imagine a Lemaire team being stunned -- twice -- the way Sutter's Devils team was late last season.

Beyond that, Lemaire was weirdly hot under the collar after last year's Wild-Islanders game got chippy. Sincere offense, or just Lemaire feeling the heat as a season and a tenure faded?

Devils Oddities

  • The Devils are 7-0 on the road, and earlier this week picked up just their second home win, over Washington.
  • The Devils' record is far better, but the special teams and 5-on-5 play is closer than you might think. PP: NYI-18.5%, NJ-17.6%  |  PK: NYI-80.4%, NJ-81.8%  |  5-on-5 GF/GA: NYI-0.82, NJ-0.90
  • Despite a truly horrid night at the faceoff dot in Buffalo, the Islanders remain near the top of the league (6th) at 51.9%, while the Devils are 16th at 49.2%.
  • Undefeated in Extra Time: While the Islanders have gone to extra time half the time -- and lost five times -- the Devils have only tied three games, taking the shootout bonus point all three times.

Islanders Hit the Road

As for the Islanders: About that journey I referred to at the beginning of this post, and the evolution in fits and starts? Well, despite a tough slate of opponents in October, the schedule doesn't get easier now, as the Isles enter this 9-of-10 road swing heading toward Thanksgiving. Here's Scott Gordon on that challenge, as reported at Newsday:

"It’s going to be a tough test for us," coach Scott Gordon said. "We’re going to find out what we are made out of. The better we come out of this, obviously it’s a huge thing for our team."

"You don’t have the last [line] change, so you don’t get the the match-up that suits your team," he said of road games. "There’s an element that some players play braver at home than they do on the road, so when you are a visiting team you might get a better  performance out of the opposition than maybe when they go on the road."

On this trip, the Isles will no doubt run into their share of brave little Mottaus at home. When they do, hopefully they deal with it better than last year. Thus far I like what I've seen in terms of how they play together; the contrast in atmosphere and performance between October 2008 (2-6-1) and October 2009 (4-4-5) is undeniable.

But a rough road run in November can change all that. The journey never stops.

Prediction: Yann Danis reminds us both why the Isles signed him, and why they let him go.

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I am betting at least one soft goal on Danis tonight. In fact I’ll even bet it is off the side of the net as in between his pads and the post.

by metalcoconut on Nov 6, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Hit him early. Remember that? If the oppositon peppered him early in the game, he often let one or two in. Heres hoping for some rebounds!

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m remembering that Montreal game, and how everything was cruising along against his old team and then — WHAM. Victory lost. I assume he learned something from that one, though. A year wiser, and a father now.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

EXCELLENT use of logo Dom

i think i’m one of the few people around who still prefers the old green logo for the Devs

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 6, 2009 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

I was always bummed they switched. Christmas or not, it’s nice to have a color variety around the league, instead of the “none more blacker” trend half the league followed like sheep.

Once they won it all in black, I knew they’d never go back. Interesting that Lou is deigning to feature one measly game in their throwbacks this year.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

P.S.

Of course, next meeting, we’ll have to go back to something like this:

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

or you could

project what the islanders logo will look like in KC and have the future Kansas City logo vs. the former Kansas City logo

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Nov 6, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yes, it’s been done (that was soon after the K.C. game was announced) and will surely be done again.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

can’t believe I forgot that one, it got a big laugh from me at the time.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

classic, but, if you use that, to be fair, you maybe should use this one too…

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 6, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

That’s just mean spirited. Plus I believe Gorton’s will be looking to sue you for the use of their fisherman.

by metalcoconut on Nov 6, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

nah, not mean spirited? we didnt even crack the top 5
( http://inventorspot.com/articles/the_10_worst_sports_logos_15358 )
sure it doesn’t conjure up great memories, but at to be honest, i liked that better then when they kept the colors and wavy pattern but got rid of the fisherman… and let them sue google images, since that’s where i found it, lol

the worst part of that whole era was the fishsticks chant it gave birth to, i mean, we handed them the toddler (super huge) wiffle bat, put the oversized wiffle ball on the tee and said “have at it” ranger fans…

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 6, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I look at it as part of the history

… and I loved the Rockies logo. Was pissed when the MLB team came along and took the name.

But anyway, I reserved use of the Fisherman for matchups with parallel uni mistakes.

That matchup led to Battle of California-inspired amateur cartooning on my part. (If you’re not familiar with Earl Sleek’s “state rape” cartoon tradition when the Ducks sweep a state, then follow the links therein under “State Vengeance” at the bottom of that post … and if you find the very idea of “state rape cartoons” to be too offensive — well, by all means, don’t follow the links!)

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm interested to see if the Isles can shake the cob webs here

and put out a good effort. Either way the Devils are gonna come out hitting and look to wear this team down early.

by Chickendirt on Nov 6, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

haha, i was just going to check some prospects and bport/ohl out — if you read the blog the isles site linked up the other day, you know this, but he’s gunning to make the team next year (i think he may get into the conversation for 9 games to end this year though if he keeps it up)

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 6, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This guy will make the team EASILY

He’s perhaps one of our biggest prospects size wise. He’s probably already surpassed deHaan and Ness as our best prospect.

He’s 19 right now and I doubt they send him back to juniors to dominate as an overager. We have Sutton’s contract expiring this year so he will probably take his spot.

by Chickendirt on Nov 6, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not as eager to ditch Sutton as many of you. If he manages to keep up the solid play on a consistent basis I dont see why the Isles get rid of their biggest player. Wouldnt it be nice to perhaps have the two of them?

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It would — particularly if he keeps delivering wake-up call hip checks.

But as a UFA, don’t you think Garth ships him off in March? I figure if his play dips, his case for a new contract dips with it; and if his play stays strong, he becomes a trade chip Snow cashes in.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I just dont htink the ‘big cash-in’ is going to be there when it comes to Sutton… if it is I will be genuinely surprised. If Garth is facing trading Sutton for a 5th rounder or something, is that REALLY worth it?

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

a ‘smaller’ team in need of size would pay 3rd round, maybe 2nd for sutton and a 4th in return — but this is predicated on him playing all year like he’s been playing for the month — so it’s a highly unstable proposition

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

But we ARE the smaller team in need of size!!! If Suts keeps up the good play and he learns the system and has “value,” we get rid of him and have another 170lb kid to draft? That doesnt add up to me. And if he doesnt keep up the good play and learn the system he has no “value” and we get nothing for him anyway.

I just dont want to see the Isles D get even smaller and be on even more of a learning curve.

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I just dont want to see the Isles D get even smaller and be on even more of a learning curve.

I’m 100% with you there. No more featherweight puck-movers. I guess a lot of my wishes are predicated on whether Wang/Snow are willing (and in position to?) spend money in the offseason.

I’m not so much desiring more picks for a 3rd-round player himself, but I like the idea of Snow accumulating picks to move up again.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm actually with you on Sutton

But I don’t mind trading him if we can get a decent draft pick that we could turn into another D prospect. If it were really up to me I’d rather get rid of Martinek for the pick/prospect but this is Sutton’s contract year.

Also, I like the fact that this team is at the cap floor which makes it easier to sign Okposo and Tavares to long term deals as they develop into premier players. I don’t want to wind up like Buffalo.

That’s my biggest fear as the prospect development on the Blue line is not keeping pace with the forwards as well.

by Chickendirt on Nov 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I like the fact that this team is at the cap floor which makes it easier to sign Okposo and Tavares to long term deals as they develop into premier players.

That’s why I wasn’t worried about the “burning a contract year” argument with Bailey last year. If we were going to need to re-up Okposo and then Tavares/Hedman/Duchene a year later, I didn’t mind Bailey needing a new deal before he had fully developed into … whatever it is he’s gong to develop into. It could actually decrease his asking price and create more room for another stud.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

For Sutton as for Weight...

anything less than a second round pick just isn’t worth it….especially if we are competitive at the deadline. Chicago has two second rounders and wants a big physical defender, so that’s a possibility.

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 6, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

5th, no. (Unless it has an escalator like Guerin’s trade? Maybe.)

I don’t expect a big cash-in, but if he’s playing well enough to be re-signed, then I think there will be a better market than a 5th. That said, I mean if he doesn’t expect another big payday, I’d listen, particularly if not enough newbs look ready for next year.

But I also like the idea of picking off free agents and taking advantage of cap-squeezed teams if in fact the cap looks like it’s going down. Lotta variables here, I guess.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you about his trade value. I would like to see him play a 70-80 game season before even thinking about his longevity with the team though. That part would be nice. I wonder if he is one of the expiring contracts that will not be renewed.

by metalcoconut on Nov 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

well that’s why i said possibly this year, because sutton, now granted, he needs to keep up this physical, and elevated play he’s been giving so far this year, would actually be a trade chip…

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 6, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

fn dom beats me to the punch by mere seconds… lol

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 6, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, I’m sorry. Great minds and all…

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Good god. Bring on that beast, ASAP.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

P.S. Post updates

FYI to those bouncing around comments here. I got some Q&A answers from SB Nation’s Devils blogger, and I’ve added those to the post above. (You might have to hit [refresh]).

Asked him about Lemaire’s system, Niedermayer (“Dead!”), and good ol’ Yann Danis.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

first spinal tap, now animal house, from that progression i will guess maybe caddyshack next? ;-P

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 6, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s all part of the trinity!

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t know why I was thinking about this today, but the Islanders depth chart on defense reads something like this:

1. Streit
2. OMG
3. ONOZ
4. . . .

by AP77 on Nov 6, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

what’s ONOZ mean?

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 6, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Like “OH NO!!!!!!”

by AP77 on Nov 6, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

All of you guys that think Sutton is now an NHL-caliber defenseman because he had a couple of pucks bounce his way and accidentally ran into an opposing player or two are nuts.

Welcome to Crazyville. Population: you.

by AP77 on Nov 6, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome to Crazyville. Population: you.

You mean you’re not hearing those voices? Here, put this tinfoil on and then you’ll see.

I’m far from a Sutton lover, but I think he can be effective in the right situation. So far this year, I think he’s had that. He’s been used against tougher competition and held his own, even being a plus player.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Nov 6, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

not loving sutton, but he’s not a p.o.s. either

he’s been on some very very bad teams, and is a career -14
by bad teams i mean, only twice on teams with winning records in 10 years

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 6, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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