DiPietro speaks after practice. And how are we feeling?
by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 8:45 PM EST
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Three months ago to the day, I sort of pledged not to do any day-by-day Rick DiPietro health updates. I'd had enough of that year-long saga and frankly, once the Islanders signed two bona fide NHL goaltenders (after drafting two more hopefuls), DiPietro became out of sight, out of mind to me, until (and unless) he comes back playing NHL hockey. As I ranted then:
It's not healthy for fan or player to fuss [every day] about [something that] really demanded long-term patience from the beginning, even though short-term interests directed otherwise. [snip] ... He's too young to write off -- but I'm not spending another moment worrying about whether or when he'll come back until I see it with my own two eyes...
Three months of deliberate rehab later, we're nearing that point. I'm still not going to get into the "Uh oh, the knee felt achy today" game, but today's "full" practice (for DiPietro, if not for most Islanders players) was a step that tells us an AHL Bridgeport rehab stint is finally within view.
After practice, the goatee-and-chops sportin' DiPietro took questions -- and looked oh-so-thrilled to take them -- and his funniest answer may have been regarding whether he's tired of hearing "When are you coming back?" from reporters, friends and family [more quotes and video of the man after the jump]:
"I think they know by now not to ask that question -- my friends and family at least."
DiPietro says he's getting better every week, the knee is responding well, and positionally he's doing basically everything he would be doing that was normal before.
Is he hurting after workouts? Everyone hurts after workouts. But he thinks it's responding well.
He also mentioned how sorry he is about missing so much time, but he's excited and committed to come back and justify the commitment Charles Wang made to him. "The expectations I have for myself are far greater than expectations anyone else puts on me."
Were the players taking it easy on him in practice? "[laughs] No, they like to score on me whenever they can. I appreciate that."
Here he is:
Busting Your #39 Jersey Out of Storage?
I have preached patience, calm, low expectations, even the see-no-DiPietro/hear-no-DiPietro approach -- in part, selfishly, because I was sick of the topic.
But I'm not the ringleader here. Well, I guess on this site I am, but the whole purpose of this site is for your input and discussion, so...: Are you happy about his progress? Not even thinking about it? Are you expecting much before the New Year? Are you dreading a February soap opera around whether he's healthy (and good) enough to justify trading Biron?
I will say this is one instance -- and here I go getting ahead of myself -- but this is one case where I will be grateful that Garth Snow the anti-Burke doesn't indulge in trade rumor scuttlebutt. If DiPietro looks like his comeback is successful some time this winter, then a Biron deal will come when Snow feels he has a fair offer. I don't want the drama of "Biron is going here or there (db5)" saturating the team, so hopefully Snow's tendency to be as tight-lipped as the Kremlin, in this case, has a positive effect.
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Burkie's firm offer
Blake, Toskala, and three Molson bottle caps (up from two) for JT and Marty. And if Garth refuses, Burkie will bloviate and fume ad infinitum.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 24, 2009 10:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is looking like Toronto should make a play for Biron — and now — isn’t it? Ah well, their season’s beyond saving. At this point they’re just playing to give Boston a lower pick.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I happy about his progress? Not even thinking about it?
Its hard to tell. I mean it sounds good and all, but Im not going to know how happy I am with his progress until I see him playing once again. I am definitely happy they are taking their time with him- and I credit the Biron and Roloson signings for that. If the Isles didnt have an NHL-caliber goalie in net every night, theres no way Rick would be OK with taking his time- he would feel too responsible and want to get in there ASAP to help the team.
Am I expecting much before the New Year?
Im expecting to see him play in the AHL before then. Id be mildly surprised if he gets real NHL time before that.
Am I dreading a February soap opera around whether he’s healthy (and good) enough to justify trading Biron?
Nope! :) Under the best of circumstances, the Isles are going to experience a rare luxury this season… they will have an NHL starting goalie available to trade.
Under the worst of circumstances, they have quality NHL goaltenders who both like playing here and both want to stay here. I sincerely believe that Garths loyalty is to the longterm success of this organization. If Rick cant cut it, he isnt going to pretend like he can. He will give him time to get back to where he can- years, even- but he isnt going to screw this team and leave them without a starting goalie again. I firmly believe that he learned that lesson.
If the circumstances wind up somewhere in the middle, not the best or the worst, the Isles can go with the flow either way. Maybe they will keep Biron and make him a respectable 1y offer. Or maybe they will still trade him- the Isles have options in Bridgeport who could be perfectly acceptable backups for a guy like Roloson in the meantime. I have a feeling that these different situations have already been discussed with Biron and probably Roloson and Rick, too.
Its not very often when you get to say that the Isles are in a positon where they are going to be in a good situation under many forseeable circumstances… but thats what I see here.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on all counts. Very happy the Islanders set themselves up with goaltending on multiple levels over the summer.
My soap opera concern is mainly around trade rumors mixed with (certain segments) fan reaction when, say, DiPietro has a five-goal game in February. No matter how he returns, I doubt we’ll have a firm picture of what level he’ll be at until fall 2010. But people are going to be flipping from extremes.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Busting Your #39 Jersey Out of Storage?
Yes (may even wear it Saturday to The Rock)
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 25, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
One thing's for sure...
if and when DP comes back as the #1, it will be quite an emotional adjustment for him. It may be a bit of an adjustment for Weight as well. In DP’s absence and even in Doug’s, a team chemistry has built up around JT, Kyle, MM, and others. It is certainly no longer DP’s team. How difficult that adjustment will be was underlined by DP’s public fussing over the JT nickname. It will be interesting.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
can you link it? i didn’t hear about him fussing over anyone’s nickname
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 25, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was in Newsday some weeks ago...
and I no longer have access. It was something like, “Oh no. Your nickname’s not really going to be JT, is it?” Not ranting and raving, but just the fact that it made it out of “the Room” seems significant to me.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm…sounds like something that might be out of context, though. Hard to believe that would be a big deal, and it’s probably some razzing that didn’t translate well in print.
Goalies are a different breed. But I think just about any team is ready to rally around a goalie who performs for them; they’re like a talisman. It will be an adjustment for him not owning the room, but probably not as big as the 2-year adjustment he’s made to his career hanging in the balance.
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by Dominik on Nov 25, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as I say, he didn't make a huge fuss over it but,
given how closed mouthed he has been about other stuff, it seemed significant that this became public at all. Remember when Smyth was briefly an Islander and there was thought of him becoming captain. He actually made a comment about how it was DP’s team. Now not only JT and MM, but Josh also have never really played with him. Even Kyle scarcely did and I don’t recall that Doug was playing at all with him and certainly was not the mentor figure he has become. Others like Bergy and Frans were not as significant. Even Hunts was not as much of a heart and soul figure as I feel he has become. Yes, it will be very much like Rip Van Winkle waking up to a new world if and when DP becomes #1 again.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well vs the wild, the pregame show had a chat with Cal Clutterbuck about his nickname, that basically he never gave his teammates a chance to give him one (in junior) , he just said it was JT and that was that (said while smiling so there was some jest in there)
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 25, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This topic reminded me of that, too. It’s obligatory to give a guy some grief, particularly when he comes in hyped and tells you he already has a nickname.
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by Dominik on Nov 25, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but Dom...
There was no quote from Hunts or Witter or Streit or Bruno or really anyone else. Just DP. And the reason was clearly nothing to do with vet / rookie stuff. The context was clearly about something akin to copyright infringement. I am DP, how dare you be JT?
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am DP, how dare you be JT?
That doesn’t even make sense, though. Hockey nicknames have gotten ridiculously simplified, to the point that using initials is actually an upgrade over adding “y”/“ie” to the end of a name.
Reporters collect many quotes, and if it’s about a trivial issue, they’re not going to hit every player nor go running every single quote they have (Newsday hardly devotes any space as it is). Let’s not read into this, when there is other evidence that’s more likely to be admissible in court.
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by Dominik on Nov 25, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense to me...
I have to believe that DP had a sense that this was HIS team…and now along comes JT while DP is out and feeling insecure to begin with…this kid who is what DP was and was supposed to be…the guy who would take the franchise on his shoulders. Now, the comment may have been partly in jest, but given who said it when no one else made a comment like that, I suspect that it reflects a degree of professional jealousy…which may be a good thing…might inspire DP to be that much better…to take back HIS team from the young whippersnapper.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i need to see this quote now
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 25, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wish I could help...
but I can’t afford to shell out the cash and wouldn’t if I could on principle. What Newsday is doing is ridiculous as far as I am concerned.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See, I laughed when I read that because Ricks nickname was NOT “DP”. I remember people calling him Rico early on… but the Isles fans wanted a smoother transisiton from going “Oz-zie!! Oz-zie” after every good save and “D-P” fit that bill. Personally, I think that Rick doesnt particularly LIKE being called “DP” but he knows he is stuck with it now so he is OK with it. He might have not wanted Tavares to get stuck with the initial thing too if he didnt want it.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that wasn't the sense of the comment at all.
I think it has to do with DP being his persona as The Guy on the Islanders regardless of how he may initially have felt about the nickname…and I haven’t read anything about himever being unhappy about it.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So he's pissed about someone else's nickname and it will put him in a funk?
Unless you can reproduce the quote and the context, I just can’t buy that level of pettiness, even on a professional athlete.
There is a bigger issue here (i.e. whether he can recapture his elite goaltending form), and if Rico the DiPi has an issue with his less-featured role on the team, it will be about much more than nicknames.
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by Dominik on Nov 25, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its about more than nicknames...and what effect it will have remains to be seen
Long ago and far away, DP was the #1 overall with the loooong contract who was supposed to pick this franchise up on his shoulders and carry it…and he never could quite do it. Now comes the next #1 overall who is supposed to do the same thing. As I said, I do not have access anymore so I cannot reproduce it…but the tone was Tavares being JT was like adding insult to injury. Something like I just dealing with you taking over my role and now you have to have a nickname like mine too?
Not saying it will necessarily put him in a funk, might even stir up his competitive juices and make him better. Just saying that it is part of the new reality DP will be coming back to.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tavares was a consensus #1 overall and was predicted to be able to carry a franchise.
DP was one of the most shocking #1 selections in recent memory. He was the #1 Rated Goalie in the draft, but people thought he might have fallen as far as 10th.
I see DP hopefully ending up on the same level as Marc Andre Fleury, good enough to win games for you, but will still have some off nights, but when it counts he’s golden.
"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."
by WebBard on Nov 25, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FOUND IT - you judge for yourself
Gordon was conducting a highly structured practice for his Islanders when a youth hockey group arrived at the skate and injected some tomfoolery.
“Wow, the Islanders!” one shouted. “Where’s John Travolta?” His teammates cackled as the Islanders, insulated behind the plexiglass, continued their nearly two-hour workout.
But the levity at Iceworks in Syosset wasn’t lost on John Tavares, who got a chuckle when informed the youngster mangled his name.
“Huh, that is funny,‘’ said the rookie who is not quite a household name yet. "Most of the guys just call me J.T., but I know [Rick] DiPietro wants me to get something else. I don’t know what the other ideas are but he said, ’You’ve got to get something new.’ ’’
The tweens in the stands were having a great time in a moment that can elude those destined to play the game for a living. Tavares has been a standout since age 7. It’s fun, but it is also business.
Now far away from his Ontario home, does the just-turned 19-year-old Tavares get homesick? "I’ve gotten pretty used to leaving [home] for the season,‘’ he said. "I haven’t gotten home sick yet. The last time was when I was 14 or 15.’’
His most recent birthday was spent playing for the Islanders in a preseason game against Edmonton in Saskatoon. "My parents came down, we went out to eat,‘’ he said. "For the last four or five years, I’ve been playing junior or playing games or at training camps. It was kind of a thing I was getting used to.’’
Tavares is also becoming acclimated to the New York area. “It’s a little different atmosphere,” he said. "Obviously, it’s a big city and there’s a lot going on. I’m definitely enjoying myself. I’ve been getting accustomed to life here and it’s been good. You go to the mall, go out for dinner. It has some great spots.’’
And, at least for now, Tavares can do it all in relative anonymity. Known throughout Canada, fans in the United States will need a while longer to catch on to this apparent can’t-miss NHL star.
“I got pretty used to definitely getting noticed all the time back home,‘’ he said. "Sometimes it might be a little easier for me to get away, which might be a good thing. But I really enjoy being around hockey.’’
Tavares is well known to the right people, starting with his employer. With the opening of the NHL season for the Islanders just five days away and final roster trimming in store, the No. 1 overall draft pick does not have to worry about making the team.
“Meeting with a lot of the teams , I think they all recognized I put a lot of time in juniors,‘’ he said, "and it was probably the right time for me to move on to a pro atmosphere.’’ credit newsdays steven marcus sept27th 2009
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 25, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks bob!
BC, is that the one? I remember that one. If that’s it, all that tells me is that DiPietro (rightly) finds “JT” to be a rather pedestrian nickname.
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by Dominik on Nov 25, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we interpret it differently
you have to get something else. He doesn’t say—and I forgot that it was second hand through JT—that you need a little more imagination. He says, You’ve got to get something new…anything but JT. It has to be a reminder that JT is the new DP—the new franchise cornerstone and DP is going to have to earn it all over again—especially now that JT has been having NHL success and making the team successful as well.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
^^ and it is.
Plus- aside from Justin Timberlake lets not forget Jeff Tambellini. Maybe he has dibs on his own initials lol? I dont know if he digs being called Tambs even though thats what I call him.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did either Justin Timberlake or Jeff Tambellini get picked #1 overall in the NHL Entry Draft?
Were either of them basically anointed the Islanders savior who would lead them to a Stanley Cup?
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 26, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who the heck “annointed Rick as the Islanders savior who would lead them to a Stanley Cup?” Oh right, Mike Milbury and… nobody else. I will never understand why some fans inexplicably continue to fixate on things that Mike said as some kind of testament even thought they profess to hate the guy and everything he did.
Rick did not draft himself. And, nobody affiliated with the Islanders orgnaization drafted Rick. Why cant we just move past this crap and just look at him for who he is, one of many players in this organization?
Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen, amen, with sugar on top.
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by Dominik on Nov 26, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PS- if the Isles did NOT win the draft lottery that year, they would have picked 5th overall and I think they STILL would have picked Rick. Id bet any amount of money that they already had their hearts set on Rick before they knew they were moving up. So if Rick was picked 5tyh overall then this whole initial theory of yours and the ramifications and expectations of his draft position wouldnt exist lol??? He would still be the SAME GUY- and that is what Im trying to say.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if anything, that underlines the fact that he was seen as The Guy...and
he has yet to deliver…plus he has been out of the picture while a whole new group of guys is succeeding without him…on the shoulders of the next #1…the next Guy.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, i think rick was busting him because JT’s taken by Timberlake already, so he needs to get a new one… like ladanian tomlinson of the SD Chargers… called himself LT by shaving it into his hair one game… and the rest of the nation STILL calls him LT2 (because u don’t steal from Lawrence Taylor)
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 25, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so JT2 i guess would be it, and i hate that…
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 25, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in the context of who these guys are and the roles they have been in DP's case and are in JT's case
DP was saying I’m still the guy. He probably said it jestingly, but it’s gotta bug him and JT having a similar nickname just underlines the point.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 25, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't even similar names though
Just because they’re both initials?! They aren’t even the same letters! If anyone called Okposo “KO,” would that be too similar?
I sincerely think you’re taking this quote way out of context, projecting way too much on what was a light-hearted moment.
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by Dominik on Nov 26, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but...
Kyle wasn’t the #1 overall and he isn’t being looked upon to be the “savior” of the franchise. These two guys were / are….and that’s the rub. I’m sure DP raised it in a lighthearted way…but the fact that he, of all people, raised it at all is significant to me.
As I say, this could be a good thing. Having to compete with JT for the spotlight might fire DP up and force him to take his game to that next level we have all been hoping to see from him on a consistent basis. But this is going to be a part of the Islander dynamic—-assuming that DP is able to return as the 1A.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 26, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can I point out in all this inital talk that DP isnt even Ricks initials?
Rick DiPietro = “RD”
IMO there is nothing to this comment- but if there WAS, it would be that two letters = a pretty boring “nickname” lol
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2009 6:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's his handle...his persona...which is the point after all
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 26, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he did not pick it and probably wouldnt have, which was my point. Who would CHOOSE to be nicknamed “D-P”? It completely lacks originality and I know “D-P” meant something different in my circles until people started calling Rick that lol. But its his so-called “nickname” now and he accepts it.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and I know "D-P" meant something different in my circles until people started calling Rick that lol.
Oh no you DIDN’T go there! :) LMAO.
Beyond that, point well-taken. It’s not even his “chosen” nickname and the rest of this is a wild goose chase.
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by Dominik on Nov 26, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BCISLEMAN can you make a bigger mountain out of a small molehill?
Go check out the holloween interview.Islander players were shown pics of other players when they were kids,dressed in holloween outfits.Several are jokingly busting teammates chops.
DiPietro’s not the only nhler to bust Tavares’s chops, over the JT nickname.
by Gbostic on Nov 26, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
give me a quote
DP is the only other one currently on the Islander payroll who was drafted #1 overall and the only other one who was supposed to lead this franchise to the promised land (and did not). That’s a pretty big molehill if you ask me.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 26, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except it’s not relevant to anything. It’s neither here nor there. If you want to speculate that “DP” (which, if we’re parsing, is actually “DiPi” — a shortening of his name after two syllables) might be wary of losing alpha dog status in the locker room, that’s one thing. It’s unproven, but it’s natural to wonder about expected human behavior. Fine.
But taking a one-sentence quote out of context and projecting that about initials and nicknames and draft ranking and such as evidence is just too much. Way too much. There’s no there, there.
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by Dominik on Nov 26, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BCISLESMAN, I think that some fans are the ones fixated on when he was drafted, not Rick. Rick changed his number from #1 to a normal goalies number because he ISNT fixated on such things. As far as where he has led the Islanders, I can think of goalies older than he is who havent done any more than Rick has, yet nobody puts these kinds of things on their shoulders (COUGH LUONGO.)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rare moderation
Hi. I closed comments on this post because the same points of contention were getting repeated with nothing new emerging. We can speculate more on DiPietro’s place in the locker room when he returns. Frankly, I didn’t want this thread to focus on an ancillary point anymore.
That may be poor form, but that’s the way it is, in the interests of moving things along. Everyone’s said their bit. We’ll be able to resume talk about DiPietro’s status soon enough. Thanks.
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