Islanders outshot 61-21 yet win in OT: Apparently God hates the Maple Leafs
by Dominik on Nov 23, 2009 10:27 PM EST
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I don't know what to say other than hockey is a funny game sometimes. And God must hate the Maple Leafs. And Dwayne Roloson must be God. That must be how you get outshot 61-21 yet win 4-3 in overtime.
Throw out the scoreless first period, when the Leafs got :cough: an iffy powerplay and a whatever powerplay and outshot the Isles 20-9. They still outshot the Isles 41-12 in the final two periods. But that excludes the Vesa Factor: Three goals in 3:13 of the 2nd leads to Vesa Toskala pulling himself from the game, and despite an all-too-familiar blown lead by the Islanders, Dwayne Roloson holds the fort and a moment of brilliance by Sean Bergenheim and Josh Bailey in OT gives the Islanders a wholly undeserved win.
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Look at the shot chart graphic on the rink diagram here. The grey X's are Leafs shots. It looks like they created a minefield around Roloson. Meanwhile, Bergenheim's shorthanded goal is a lonely red X out by the blueline, in "just shoot at Vesa" territory.
[Video highlights and rest of entry added after the jump.]
Bergenheim, incidentally, was one of the few non-Roloson bright spots in this game. He showed drive on the forecheck all night and showed good instinct by taking the puck up ice and (honestly) unleashing a sizzling shot for his shorthander.
Jack Hillen was absolutely, without question, the other bright spot. Hillen finished +2, logged 23:33 of ice time (5:42 on the PK), was one of the few successfully rushing the puck into the Leafs zone, and made several game-saving defensive plays, including hustling back all the way to the end boards after his shot was blocked at the Leafs zone in OT.
Finally, Roloson. 58 saves. Standing strong even when Tim Jackman was knocking him back into his own net. There's a lot to be disturbed by from this game, but I have to run to my own late game so I'll cut this off here (video and more later) [Video now added. I'll have more on this game later, as there are a lot of angles to pursue.] For now: Thank you, Roloson. Your team does not -- but you sir, certainly deserve that 'W.'
Thanks to Chris Botta for inviting me to guest on his game chat at Point Blank tonight. I had a blast, and that topsy-turvy game was quite the muse for instant online thoughts.
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Someone is singing “Old Man River” and it’ll fully be deserved for Roloson. Leafs and almost 40 year old goalies results in a broken down Cujo. Islanders get Johnny Bower, part II. Seems about right.
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by bkblades on Nov 24, 2009 1:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I keep thinking somewhere in his two-year tenure we will see the “uh oh, this is it” point when his age catches up to him. But I’m loving every minute until then. So fun to see a guy do it at his age.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You and me both, Dom. I was perfectly happy when the Isles signed Roloson, but when you see what he did last night its just unbelievable. How many other goaltenders could do what Roloson did last night? He played that game like he was the best goalie in the world lol!
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On that note, I have to say I liked his signing from the beginning. Never expected a franchise record number of saves in a regular-season game, but given his age and career expectations, he was the perfect guy to bring in while DiPietro rehabs.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. I figured he played great for the Isles western twin when they would leave him out to dry, so he would fit right in here. How true huh lol?
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree...I think Garth is going to get some calls...
but he might not be willing to let him go.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 24, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he doesnt.
I like Biron a lot- I really do- but IMO if/when Rick comes back playing well again the Isles need to keep Roloson. When the team goes from Roloson to DiPietro playing in tandem (which I really hope is the plan) it will not even be a big adjustment for the team to go from playing in front of one to the other.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure that is the plan
and it would take a REALLY attractive offer to get Garth to consider it. I am just saying that with Roly’s resume, a few more performances of this magnitude are going to attract some calls.
Of course, the other possibility is that DP is not ready to even serve as backup. Then does Garth trade Biron even? Can he rely on Munroe or Koskinnen?
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 24, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Ricky is unable to prove himself even as a backup this season, which I honestly think is unlikely, I think the Isles should keep the status quo and Rick keeps on training to come back… there would be no reason not to, unless Garth was offered something insane for one of them, which I also think is unlikely, and then IMHO Munroe would be the one up here as backup.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only a goalie can know a goalie
All of us who’ve played any type of competitive hockey know that goalies are a breed apart. When Garth signed Roloson there was a lot of criticism, but it goes to show he saw something that only another goalie could see.
He’s giving our young team confidence to carry forward. Thanks Dwayne.
If I could come back, and do it all over again. I'd ask God to make me a Pittsburgh Steeler - Jack Lambert
by lambert41 on Nov 24, 2009 7:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is it wrong to point out that Witt was on the ice when all 3 goals were scored? I know that the entire team collapsed like a female tweener meeting the cast of Twilight but can’t someone just address why we keep putting him back into the lineup if he is not helping the situation? I respect him and loved him while he was playing for Nolan but right about now it seems that it would be a good idea to let MacD get his time up here. When you are going -3 to the Leafs… You can’t help but think that the guy is going -50 for the season.
I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.
by metalcoconut on Nov 24, 2009 9:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not wrong at all
That’s been stewing in my mind (again) since the game (I had a rec game last night after the Isles game, and I had the pleasure of thinking about this between shifts, which is not where I wanted my head to be!). I’m going to pull up the Corsi data to see who was on for the heaviest total of shots directed at the net last night, but I’m pretty sure I know who it will be.
I am (was?) as big a Witt fan as there was during his prime and under Nolan, but it’s not working and it’s painful to see it play out time and time again. It wasn’t all his fault (nor Meyer’s), as the forwards were running around, too; but those two paired together aren’t able to get us out of jams when a team is pressing like that.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we got trounced along the boards all night, it looked like the mascots playing the kids (ffwd to 55 seconds in)
we’re lucky we didnt give up a pp goal at any point…
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 24, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The play of the entire team in that game does not belong on Witts back. We cant make it like the team was playing well and then Witt has these defensive guffaws because it is really, really untrue. In fact, I remember on the tying goal Witt was the only guy who WAS watching the puck and playing his man- and the rest of the team was god knows where.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly… was that the one where sim slid up to help the 2 teammates on the boards, leaving his guy open, then the 3 of them lost the battle and rolly was hung out to dry?
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 24, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, that was the first goal (Kessel). And true, he was left out to dry on that. Meyer and Tambellini each went up the boards to win the puck battle … but neither won it.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the rest of the team was god knows where.
I believe Meyer was saying, “Ole!”
Certainly no one should be putting this on Witt’s back — and I don’t think anyone is. But unfortunately his immobility is a common thread in their troubles.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, but Witt also stood out to me as taking it easy on some plays. Two Leafs in front of the net? Let me just stand behind them and pretend to do something until the puck comes this way.
Andy MacDonald in Witts absence managed a +3 in 3 games, Witts first game back against lesser opposition and he drops a -3.
Its either Witt or Meyer, but to me it looks more and more like Witt just isn’t cut out for the system.
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Small sample, but:
MacDonald: Has not been on the ice for a 5-on-5 goal against. None!
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Id rather have him replace FMIV than Witter 7 days a week. I like FMIV as an injury fill-in but as part of our top 6 all season? Worrisome.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Granted, I agree he does not deserve the shoulder all the blame but when I look in the +/- column after each game it is not uncommon to see Witt with some -‘s. That would include their victories as well. Don’t get me wrong, I really admire and respect Witt but perhaps letting him finish the season on a -50 or more is not the best course of action. I hope he can either find a groove in this system or find less ice time because right now he is tied for last on the Isles with -11 and he can not be enjoying that, especially considering the battling mantality that he possesses.
I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.
by metalcoconut on Nov 24, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its generally more likely for defensive defensemen on teams with a weaker D to get more of the -’s… thats because when the team goes on the offense, the team is more likely to change and put other guys out there.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The defense
On Botta’s chat last night, he was asked several times if Wang had kept Snow from making upgrades, and Botta said all he can go on is what Snow has told him, which is no.
That said, obviously there is a limit on the budget, so Snow has to pick his expenditures wisely. But if he sincerely went into this season thinking this blueline was enough to be a playoff team (vs. just thinking it will get by until contracts expire), then that’s a mistake he needs to not repeat, just like last year’s goalie oversight.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think Snow thought this was going to be a playoff team?
I think he knew that he HAD to improve the Goalie situation. With Danis or MacDonald in net last night it probably would have been a 6 or 7 goal affair.
Looking through our system, I think between DeHaan, Hess, Hamonic and Katic we should have 2 speedy offensive dmen ready to join the team next year. If MacDonald doesn’t take a spot, at the very least he can be a 7th dman
At the end of this year Sutton and Meyer are UFAs, and at the end of next Witt and Martinek are along with Gervais and Hillen being RFAs.
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he believed this was a playoff team — that was more for argument’s sake. What I think happened is that he thought this wasn’t a playoff team so he could afford to go budget-conscious on the defense for the time-being.
He told Logan he was happy with the blueline back in May or thereabouts, which bowled me over. What I suspect is the reality, even though he shouldn’t admit this if it is: “We’re not playoff-caliber anyway, we have expiring contracts, we’re just going to ride those out and make upgrades later.” Which is fine, but it creates this awkward situation where they have to pretend like the blueline isn’t an elephant in the room.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, but realistically who could he have brought in that was an improvement? Anyone that came here either would have been desperate for more playing time, or have some fatal flaw.
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we don’t know if he tried. Knowing Snow, even if he was gunning for free agents he’d still say he was content with what he had.
I didn’t want him to go $4.5/5 years for Komisarek, but I did want an effort. On the other hand, I’m thrilled Hillen has gotten an opportunity to shine.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Hillen is ROCKIN lately! When he took that shot and it bounced off and created that breakaway, look at how he responded! He was so clean and positional and didnt panic- it was GREAT.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. How many times do you remember watching a defenseman — on any team — respond that way rather than just giving up or going straight for the hook/hold. That was some competitive fire, some “oh no you don’t, this one isn’t going to be on me.”
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know!!!
And when Ive seen a Dman take the hooking penalty in a situation like that Ive said to myself, “At least it was a smart penalty because it prevented a surefire scoring opportunity” and other things like that. But seeing Hillens play last night reminds ya that it really doesnt have to be that way.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Garth wanted to give a young team a sense that it could win and
a sense that its wins or losses were because of what it did. I think he did not want them thinking that poor goaltending was either an albatross or an excuse for losing.
Katie Stang has said that getting a top four was a priority this summer. I am sure that we will be drafting defenders in the draft although we need a big PF as well (Nino Niederreiter or Victor Ohman) as well as trading for them and signing FAs.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 24, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, he didn’t want goaltending to sink the team.
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted goaltending this summer more than ANYTHING for that very reason. I cant describe how happy I was when we signed Roloson… I literally felt lighter knowing Id be without that constant worry.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey
He is worth mentioning as well. Its great to see him potting goals lately! :)
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was just about to say that overtime goal was one of the best examples of teamwork that I have seen on this team all season. Berg made an EXCELLENT play to spread out the D and the goalie and Bailey had enough patience to stay put and wait for the feed or the rebound. That was excellent. I’m glad to see that play as the game winner.
I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.
by metalcoconut on Nov 24, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
It was the best team moment of the night, no doubt about it. And its nice to see that kind of teamwork rewarded.
That is the exact kind of thing players like Bailey and Bruno and Bergie should build upon.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Admit it you just wanted to use a lot of words beginning with “b”. We know. :)
I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.
by metalcoconut on Nov 24, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it was the Best! Beautiful even!
Bouncing all over, it was a Boisterous effort to Behold.
So- Biron tomorrow?
:D
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Close, but no Cigar
To V
Voilà ! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant and vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition! The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. [laughs] Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it’s my very good honor to meet you and you may call me “V”.
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trivia
Before Josef Vasicek, the last Islanders player whose last name began with ‘V’ was…
…Daren Van Impe. 14GP in 2002. (Yes, I had to look it up.) Before that: Andrei Vasilyev, who I did my best to turn into a productive player in NHL 97.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Be fair mine was off the cuff lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Bailey/Bergiey totally created it
It was their persistent forecheck that kept the puck in for another loop, then forced the turnover that allowed Gervais to fire it at the net. That was good stuff. That was what I was hoping for after they got the 3-0 lead: “Come on boys, take this gift and smother them.”
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice to see them keep the pace after a multiple goal lead for a change. It is getting a little tiresome watching the team play this incredible pestering system followed by the inevitable chase the puck/players, relinquish the lead mode. Of course by tiresome I do mean nerve racking. This team is going to get me to try beers I never knew existed while trying to forget that they were up by 2+ goals.
I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.
by metalcoconut on Nov 24, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course by tiresome I do mean nerve racking. This team is going to get me to try beers I never knew existed while trying to forget that they were up by 2+ goals.
My stomach ends up in knots. It’s long past the point I can’t tell my wife what really happened, because then she just says, “Again?” or worse, “Of course they did.” When they went down 3-1 at the Blues game, she said, “Well at least there’s no lead to give up.”
In her defense, I give her twice the flak when she’s watching Project Runway or Top Chef, so fair’s fair.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not entirely, the D man squeezing along the boards on a pinch helped…
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 24, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely (I gave Bruno some love). i just meant that B&B had two waves of forecheck on them to create the opening for Bruno to pounce. Bergenheim nearly got knocked down after the first pinch, but instead of diving he regained his footing and went back to pressuring away.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we consider RickDipietro on Twitter to actually be Rick?
This is from that Twitter account a few hours ago
Is about to go take part in a practice with Rob, Blake, Andrew, and Marty Biron! Stoked – Haha.
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think I’ve seen that a few times, and it’s just benign enough to be real but there’s never decent info there.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing how DiP is so secretive I would guess that Twitter page is as real as his early season 08 progress reports. However, it is possible that he does it to reach the fans without the hysteria or inflated media hype surrounding his condition.
I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.
by metalcoconut on Nov 24, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question to ask Howie and Jaffe, maybe they can find out?
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa
we got Rob Blake!
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
by jessef on Nov 24, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
where did you see that?
I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.
by metalcoconut on Nov 24, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, remember when we got Jason Blake, it was the year that Rob Blake was going to get traded. So of course the smartass sports guys decide to headline “Islanders get Blake from the Kings” when they meant Jason Blake and not Rob.
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Id trade Rob and Blake for Rob Blake any day lmao.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh…ha ha ha. Nice. I didn’t catch that one. Nice.
I'll see your starting goalie and raise you a Biron.
by metalcoconut on Nov 24, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think
We’re missing something that’s real worrying right now. Although we didn’t have a 5 on 3 PK last night, we continue to give up 4-5 PPs a night. The start of the streak was Weights last game. How much more abuse can our PK’ers take?
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been watching as you bring that up. But I feel like some of these penalties in each game have been unwarranted. I don’t know if it’s just a bad run, or if the refs lack a respect factor for the Isles — or more likely, for the road team — but we’re getting called for passive stick fouls that are not being called both ways.
I’m not typically tinfoil-hat oriented (Sundays are an exception), but if I’m reading this right, there are more than a few refs who tend to call more powerplays in the home team’s favor.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some? there have been some flat out bad calls lately and some should be matched with dives
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 24, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
:cough: ca-Phill ca-Kessel
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree- I think home ice advantage is real. The real test is going to be if the Isles are running around shorthanded in their next couple of games. If so, then thats something tob e concerned over.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m afraid with Pittsburgh and Philly in, it’s likely to continue. The stars are going to get the benefit of the doubt, unless Witt cleans someone’s clock and a guy decides to pick up a retaliatory instigator.
/Yeah, I’m looking at YOU, Jay McKee.
One thing I worry about with Tavares’s lesser speed, is he might draw fewer of the superstar calls that others get.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man…dejavu – just read an article on fatigue v home ice advantage at Puck Prospectus and then I see this…
by HugoAgogo on Nov 24, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a good one. On any given day, any team can win. But on any given day, the team on the road or the team playing back-to-back has a very nice excuse to lose.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that’s what Phaneuf was saying to Sutter the other day after their loss to Colorado:
Phaneuf: “Dude, Puck Prospectus said the deck was stacked against us anyhow”
Sutter: "That’s only applies if you have played 2 games in 2 days DAMMIT!’
by HugoAgogo on Nov 24, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I’m loving the image of anyone going to Brent Sutter with something from Puck Prospectus.
I wish some of these beat reporters would dig into advanced stats just to bring them up in press conferences with salty old-school coaches. Let hilarity ensue:
“The Corsi-what?! Boy, what are you rambling on about? We didn’t backcheck; they did. We didn’t score; they did. Next question.”
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness though, I think hockey coaches are slightly more intelligent than your average coach of some other sports.
Also, I think around 1/4 of teams hire people to specific look at advanced stats and sabermetrics and the like (although the article that I saw this in didn’t mention the specific teams).
by HugoAgogo on Nov 24, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, definitely agree on both counts. And I don’t think even a saber-oriented coach needs to be pulled in discussing that minutia with the press.
But still … I mean Sutter’s gruff reaction would be awesome.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is crazy
I just looked it up (that’s becoming a quote of mine)
The Islanders lead the league in Times Shorthanded while the away team at 68. The next closest team is Colorado at 61.
The Islanders are last in the league in Times Shorthanded at home with 28. The Devils are next at 29.
To make matters odder, Ottawa leads the league in most times Shorthanded at home with 63 yet on the road they are tied for the Lowest amount of Shorthands with 29.
So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever.
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those stats may be a bit skewed by the fact that the Isles have played more away games and fewer home games compared to other teams. In cases like these it might help to look at averages (mins shorthanded per away game) as opposed to just minutes shorthanded when away.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The stats make far more sense when you look at the number of games at home/away – Ottawa has played 15/21 at home, Colorado and the Isles have played the 2nd most games away from home (15) only behind SJ (16 -although they have played more games).
And also, the Isles & the Devils (along with Colorado and a some other teams) have played a league low 9 home games…
by HugoAgogo on Nov 24, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These aren’t minutes shorthanded, these are instances shorthanded. So some of the SH situations aren’t going to be as bad as others. Unfortunately NHL.Com doesn’t let you sort PIM via Home/Away just what type of Penalty it is.
Just for the averages, the Isles have 9 Games at home with 28 shorthand situations. So lets just say 3 a game. They have 15 away games with 68 so 4.5 a game.
Ottawa has 15 home games and 63 SHs so 4 a game, 6 Road games and 29 Sh so 5 a game.
So Ottawa clearly causes as much trouble at home as they do away. But with the Isles I’d be fine if they were averaging 3 a game whether it be away or home, but the nearly 5 SHs a night is killer. That’s half a period a night.
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me just say, If We were home or away, it would be a bad streak anyway. Since almost the start of the month we’ve regularly let up 4-5 penalties a night except for (I believe without checking) the win against Atlanta.
To put it in perspective, last year we were 8th in the league in Times Shorthanded at 361. We are once again standing in 8th this season. Yes, Our PK is doing good, but I still get the feeling its only a matter of time until we have a night where we let up 2 or 3 PPGs
by WebBard on Nov 24, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever.
That should be the motto for this site.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, i didn’t copyright “useless stat of the day” dom, just so you know…
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
by bob l on Nov 24, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That should be Colorado’s motto really…
by HugoAgogo on Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too true.
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by Dominik on Nov 24, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Atlantic Standings
| GP | W | L | OTL | PT | |
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New Jersey
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58 | 36 | 20 | 2 | 74 |
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Pittsburgh
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59 | 35 | 22 | 2 | 72 |
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Philadelphia
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57 | 29 | 25 | 3 | 61 |
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New York Rangers
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59 | 26 | 26 | 7 | 59 |
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New York Islanders
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58 | 23 | 27 | 8 | 54 |
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Islanders Schedule
Next 5 Games
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Nashville
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Tue 02/09 | 7:00 PM EST |
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Pittsburgh
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Wed 02/10 | 7:30 PM EST |
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Tampa Bay
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Sat 02/13 | 2:00 PM EST |
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Ottawa
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Sun 02/14 | 5:00 PM EST |
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Chicago
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Tue 03/02 | 7:00 PM EST |
Last 5 Games
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Carolina
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Sat 02/06 | L 1 - 3 |
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Tampa Bay
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Thu 02/04 | L 2 - 5 |
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Florida
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Sun 01/31 | L 0 - 2 |
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Philadelphia
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Sat 01/30 | L 1 - 2 |
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Carolina
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Thu 01/28 | L 1 - 4 |
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