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Islanders Gameday: 'Dynasty' was a great show

Oilers-Islanders meetings are rare enough that they always get me looking back through a 25-year lens to ... well, you know when. (Granted, simply getting out of bed seems cause enough to get me looking back.) But in this case, it's not so much nostalgia as it is marvel: Since their historic orange-and-blue peaks, the NHL's last dynasty* and the NHL's last dynasty interruptus have, uh, not been good.

The Last Dynasty interruptus (7-6-1, t-3rd/NW) at The Last Dynasty traditionalus* (4-4-5, t-4th/Atl)
7 p.m. EST  |  Nassau [gloriously unsponsored] Veterans Mem. Coliseum | MSG+
Hub of Oil Development: Orange Copper & Blue

* "dynasty" as it was defined when I was a tyke, not as it's now known in some circles for Red Wings and Patriot Sox and anything that's really good off and on so-can't-we-change-the-terms-please-huh-huh-huh? Sorry: 19 playoff series wins in a row is different. It just is. Four Cups in five I can work with. But this '90s-'00s Wings stuff? It's great, but different.

Questionable management, shaky ownership, poor drafting (or poor development -- or both!), currency issues, honesty issues, and mini-peaks that -- outside of the 1993 Penguins Dynasty Prevention Mission and the 2006 For the Love of Southern Hockey finals -- top out at blips of excitement from a bubble playoff seed. That's been the norm for these two franchises since they wrapped up the legendary work that makes people say, "A pity if they moved, being historic Cup winners and all."

So: When does the penance for all that '80s excess end? Sadly, not tonight. Sooner than Reagan's debt, one hopes.

Update: A little scouting report from Derek at Copper & Blue after the jump, which tells you how the Oilers are hurting, 2008-09 Islanders-style:

Star-divide

The Oilers roll onto the Island a still-beaten up team. The flu continues to ravage the locker room and concussions still have Sheldon Souray and Steve Staios on the shelf. The Oilers have already lost 66 man games to injury and are second in the league in the newly patented CHIP.

Because of injuries, the team is skating with their 7th, 8th and 9th defensemen in the lineup and they are finding it extremely difficult to come up with an NHL-worthy top nine. Nikolai Khabibulin has been up and down, standing on his head one game, and letting in soft goal after soft goal the next.  Dustin Penner has started hot and has been able to drag Ales Hemsky up the scoresheet with him, but consistency has been a problem for the rest of the lineup.  Shawn Horcoff is playing the role of the team's #1, #2 and #3 center and needs some support up the middle.

Things to watch if you root for the Islanders:  If the club can't hem the Oilers in while Theo Peckham, Taylor Chorney or Jason Strudwick are on the ice, there are problems.  The three of them have spent more time in their own zone than Nikolai Khabibulin and their Corsi values show it.

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Back to bass-ackwards glances for a moment: Beyond the '80s Cup key party these two logos held, something else ties these franchises in rather entertaining ways. Tonight, there's the old goalie vs. the goalie who will soon be old:


GP MIN W L GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
2009 - Dwayne Roloson 7 406 3 1 20 2.96 221 201 .910 0


GP MIN W L GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
2009 - Nikolai Khabibulin 12 730 6 5 38 3.12 402 364 .905 0


Then, there's the exchange of underachievers and maddening potentials that tie the two clubs in one way or another:


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG PPtoi TOI SOG PCT
2009 - Robert Nilsson 9 1 2 3 -7 0 1 0 2:38 12:59 11 9.1
2009 - Mike Comrie 10 3 3 6 0 8 1 0 1:33 13:53 16 18.8


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG PPtoi TOI SOG PCT
2009 - Jeff Tambellini 8 6 1 7 3 2 3 0 1:20 11:53
17 35.3
2009 - Rob Schremp 6 0 1 1 -3 4 0 0 2:08 12:56
12 0.0

 

Finally, there's the one who got away:


Who?
2009 - Ryan O'Marra Not exactly applicable

 

Sorry, this is who I meant:


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG TOI PPtoi SOG PCT
2009 - Denis Grebeshkov 14 3 5 8 -5 12 1 0 23:21 2:58 19 15.8


More to the Point: Tonight

Roloson is in to try to do to his old mates what Martin Biron did to his. Crazier things have happened: If Buffalo was fighting some bugs, the Oilers are ... hmmm, one has nothing to do with the other, actually. But the Oilers have been flu-and-bug bitten too. If Comrie is healthy enough to go, we can still hold reasonable hope for Floating Comrie rather than Driven Comrie. If we're lucky, he'll try the toe drag on Andy Sutton. Sounds like Lubomir Visnovsky is still out, so yay for us.

If the Islanders -- who appear to be taking their vitamin C and shady Asian herbal supplements thus far this flu season -- simply play as they're capable, a win should be within reach. They let the Sabres get the jump on them, but Biron saved the day until they could wound, then crush the Sabres' illness-depleted souls. A similar formula would be in order tonight, except without the whole part about playing possum in the 1st period.

Predictions: Comrie dekes to the corner, totally faking out the security guard.

Let's go Is-land-ers. Make. It. Four!

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This is an exciting game. Last year we were in the middle of that west coast trip in the middle of february I think, and dougy weight was out for this game. Now, we’re kind of on top of where we want to be. Telling stat? 4 of the last 5 games we’ve had a 100% PK going 4-6 in the WAS game), and of the 13 games we’ve played, 7 have been perfect PKs. Go Isles Go! :)

by albeezle on Nov 2, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Faceoffs, PK — we’re having a lot of nice little things working.

I do miss Weight providing some color commentary from that game last year though. ;)

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by Dominik on Nov 2, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Comrie is out for the Oilers. That is a shame because I really wanted to watch him do nothing for the Oilers either. Actually it would have been fun to see a fired up Isles team go after a guy that used to suck up minutes with negative results. In the end I guess it all worked out because he did help facilitate the Isles picking up de Haan. It is hard to be mad about that.

by metalcoconut on Nov 2, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I know! Comrie’s absence is a real let down. Much like his time as an Islan— …too easy?

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by Dominik on Nov 2, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

way too easy!

Comrie has always been severely over-rated. I’d say he has a few more years left at best. Not a bad career for a late third round pick, but not they player he thinks he is.

by # 21 on Nov 2, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Things to watch if you root for the Islanders: If the club can’t hem the Oilers in while Theo Peckham, Taylor Chorney or Jason Strudwick are on the ice, there are problems. The three of them have spent more time in their own zone than Nikolai Khabibulin and their Corsi values show it.

That is awesome. Great Corsi stat. LOL!

by metalcoconut on Nov 2, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh! yes. Made me look forward to matching a line against them and watch them get dizzy.

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by Dominik on Nov 2, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will get one of those quote things correct if it is the last thing that I do.

by metalcoconut on Nov 2, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And world peace will follow right behind…

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by Dominik on Nov 2, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's almost as if God was saying to the Isles...

don’t trade this guy!!! Hey Garth, you’ve got a defenseman, his name is Denis. You can look back in Islander lore in days of yore when I was able to bless this franchise and back then you also had a defenseman named Denis and he was pretty good. DON’T TRADE HIM, WHATEVER YOU DO!!! OY!!! Another mashugah Isle GM. When a GM is determined to make mashugah deals, even I can’t help!!!

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 2, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Don Cherry stepped in, and said: “But really I’M GOD, and I SAY this Denis is a EURO, so you must trade him!”

Not sure if Cherry would’ve recommended dealing for an undersized French Canadian, though.

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by Dominik on Nov 2, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that part doesn't fit...

and Grapes only THINKS he’s God!!!

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 2, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I decided last night that I am going to attend this game. Between the WS and football and it being a monday and a west conference outing on top of all the issues we normally have with attendance even WITHOUT any of that, I think the attendance will be dismal tonight- SO bad that I just had to go lol! FWIW here is my take on things if you feel like reading it before the game. :)

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cheers to you for going tonight. Man, going on a night when they will need it, that’s my kind of thinking.

The part about the 1999 game with all those future Islanders in Edmonton … wow. Memory rush to what I thought of those guys 10 years ago. Hope the crowd is bigger than it was that day!

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by Dominik on Nov 2, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One of my deacons is an Oil fan...

and he was making some comments…so the Isles better win tonight!!!

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 2, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

May the Isles teach him humility.

Seriously, the Oilers sound even sicker than the Islanders. They have to snap out of it sometime, but I’m not sure tonight’s their night.

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by Dominik on Nov 2, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another market that thinks they have a right to a playoff team ever year.

Edmonton is an empty suit. When you are hanging your hat on Hensky and Horcoff, you are in severe trouble. W\hat the heck did Sheldon Souray do to deserve being shipped off to that frozen wasteland ? I can tell all you Schremp haters one thing, he may not be playing much on Long Island , but he is glad he is not playing in the hockey equivalent of Ice Station Zebra.

by # 21 on Nov 2, 2009 9:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

several points

1) Souray was not shipped off anywhere. He signed with Edmonton as a FA.

2) No doubt part of the reason he signed there was because he was born in Elk Point, AB, about 3 hours to the NE of Edmonton by car.

3) My inlaws live in Lacombe, about an hour south of Edmonton. It is not a place that I would choose to live in, but its not that bad. And whatever its failings, they are hockey-mad up there. We should have such a devoted fanbase.

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 3, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BC reply

points well taken, I have tons of repsect for the fans in oil land. It is the current team managment I cant stand. 3 hours to the northeast of edmonton, for real wow!
i live in syracuse so i know cold………true dat

by # 21 on Nov 5, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GM or coach?

They seem to be putting together a decent team finally. We will see. They sure lucked out in being able to pick Magnus Paajarvi Svensson.

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 5, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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Josh Bailey 12 C 10/2/1989 188 6-1
Sean Bergenheim 20 LW 2/8/1984 205 5-10
Blake Comeau 57 RW 2/18/1986 207 6-1
Rick DiPietro 39 G 9/19/1981 210 6-1
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Freddy Meyer 44 D 1/4/1981 192 5-10
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Richard Park 10 RW 5/27/1976 190 5-11
Dwayne Roloson 30 G 10/12/1969 180 6-1
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Jon Sim 16 LW 9/29/1977 195 5-10
Mark Streit 2 D 12/11/1977 197 6-0
Andy Sutton 25 D 3/10/1975 245 6-6
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