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Islanders Gameday: No Ovechkin, no Martinek - no problem. Flu bug? Problem.

Silly humans, we like to view things in groupings, whether or not said groupings relate to one another. So we'll talk about how our team is "such-and-such in November," even if November is just an arbitrary cut-off that's more to do with Pope Gregory than the fortunes of 21st-century hockey teams.

But a seven-game run away from home: that's a grouping that might just matter.

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New York Islanders (6-6-5, 5th/Atl) at Washington Capitals (10-3-4, 1st/East)
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The Islanders begin that grouping against the Capitals without Radek Martinek, the underrated defenseman who actually did a pretty good job defending Alex Ovechkin the last time these teams met. Then again, for this third Isles-Caps meeting of the season, the Caps are without Ovechkin. So back to square one. Of course, sans Ovi the Capitals just swept two games from Florida -- who has a similar coach, but different 2008-09 results, than our own Scott Gordon.

So group it however you want. I'm probably going to group it under "in games without Kyle Okposo..." [Update: TMC notes in comments that Blake Comeau is ill now, too. Enter Rob Schremp Hockey...]

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But in the capital, the drama over Ovechkin's injury prognosis is, well, slightly more intense than the "what else is new?" Island reaction to Martinek's. Hell, even the drama over where an unwanted Caps' soldier is headed is consuming more bytes.

While the Islanders without (future captain?) Okposo is uncharted waters, the Caps rather impressively pulled off victories without both Ovechkin and Mike Green. Yikes. I look forward to Trent Hunter's return, but somehow I don't find it to be of equal impact.

Oh, and about those margin-thinning, depth-depleting challenges to the Islanders lineup: Not only is K.O. out with Ye Olde Pig Flu, but now Doug Weight's upper body injury has changed from "week to 10 days" to "4 to 6 weeks." That's not only more realistic and more predictable; it's also a strong hint that it's a more significant shoulder injury, perhaps closer in nature to the one that kept him from Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals with Carolina. (Okay, not that serious.)

We've come, I think, to expect frequent injury from Weight's body at this age. But this one, coming so soon after the captain's own recovery from the H1N1, is a blow. I was among those hoping for a .500 performance on this road trip. With at least half of it missing Okposo and all of it missing Weight, my expectations are lowered. Add that to our tin six-defensemen depth, and hopefully Mr. Snow is watching the wires for potential reinforcements.

Regardless, another challenge means another lens with which to look at this young team.

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The Cycle of a Rebuild: 1. Suck and get picks. 2. Use picks on future stars. 3. See future stars arrive and evolve. 4. Get good enough to discover that some stars maybe aren't as great as once thought.

Is that where the Caps are at with Alex Semin? Been interesting to see Caps fans debate whether he should be part of the core. Not just penalties and off nights, but the ominous comment from his agent on whether he'd adjust contract demands to fit into a championship structure in D.C. His agent: Mark Gandler. ... Gandler .... Gandler ... now where have I heard that name before? Ah yes, that's the tool. Good luck, Caps fans and Semin-lovers.

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He Who Shall Not Be Named Until Healthy: I've sort of pledged not to do this, but what the hell, these quotes were interesting in a goalie-rehab sort of way. Scott Gordon on Rick DiPietro's first consecutive days of practice with the team:

He did multiple butterflies, some rapid recoveries, a lot of edge work. It was all good.

Nobody's holding their breath. But at the same time, it's nice to see the team continue to take the conservative approach with The Franchise. Strang adds that DP will do Monday-Tuesday and Thursday-Friday work next week (so, two days of back-to-back real practice). Whatever works.

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Tonight should be an interesting one, particularly if Green is still out. Lineups without their best players, going at it, trying to make do: Somehow, there's something cool and pure about that. And what would be strange and unholy? If the Isles lost in OT to move their record to 6-6-6.

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Rob Carlin just said Blake Comeau left and is not feeling well… and with Okposo & Weight out to expect Schremp in.
Sigh- from practically healthy to stretched thin as thread in a matter of days.

He also says these are the Islanders am line combos:
Tavares-Moulson-Park
Bailey-Tambellini-Sim.
Nielsen-Hunter-Bergenheim
Thompson-Jackman-Schremp

So much for not using Shremp as a winger I guess lol.

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Nov 11, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh my...

Quarantine everyone!

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by Dominik on Nov 11, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh. Right in time for them to travel together on the longest road trip of the season (and for that matter equal to the longest road trips in Islanders history!) Oh the timing. :(

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Nov 11, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed. Hockey season’s going to be a little different if we start getting two major flu bugs a year, no? Next step: Inter-team germ warfare.

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by Dominik on Nov 11, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Isles lost in OT to move their record to 6-6-6.

TMC would probably enjoy that, i wonder if she’s already cued up the Maiden…

on a serious note though, losing kyle is a crusher, RW is our weakest position

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 11, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOL bob, I must say the thought already crossed my mind. I dont even have to change the lyrics, this is literally how I feel watching the injury/illness list grow each day:

I watch alone…my mind was blank…I needed time to think to get the memories from my mind.
What did I see? Could I believe? That what I saw that night was real and not just fantasy.
Just what I saw…in my own dreams…were the reflections of my warped mind staring back at me.
Cause in my dreams…it’s always there! The evil face that twists my mind and brings me to despair…
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH! INJURIES!

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Nov 11, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha, i only brought it up, because on p.b. blog, i remember i read something from you, “scream for me coliseum!”, and my buddy had just told me a story about the meadowlands show he went to where he yelled the same thing (insert meadowlands though)
and it had me laughing because my friend actually screamed it out like he did…

for the record, i throw that line in now while playing rock band and singing ‘run to the hills’

when this month ends, we’ll see how prophetic those lyrics turn out to be, i dont want to panic just yet, so for now i’ll cross my fingers and hope for a healthy, close to .500 record

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 11, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont want to panic just yet, so for now i’ll cross my fingers and hope for a healthy, close to .500 record

Yup thats it right there… I mean, what other choice do we have really?

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Nov 11, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This tangent made my day.

/not a serious metal fan, but an appreciator to be sure

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by Dominik on Nov 11, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Atlantic

Didn’t really have a way to work this into the post [codename: Lazy], but the Atlantic looks like a beast again. 24-17 pts. from top to bottom, ranging from a tie for 1st to a tie for 9th in the conference. Good times.

Those OTL loser points the Isles have: Just short of wins or just short of losses?

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by Dominik on Nov 11, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Funny I was thinking along the same lines. I was talking to a Devs fan here and he was saying how great it would be if all 5 Atlantic teams made the playoffs. I wound up thinking about the Atlantic since 01-02 and I even made this little chart
Its remarkable over that time how consistently great the Devs have been, how essentially equal the Isles and Rags have been, and what a total flip-flop the Pens have been lol.

As far as OTL points go, they are damn ties, IMO thats how we have to think abut them. They are just as close to winning as losing as far as the NHL goes. If you have 17PTS in 17 GP, that is .500 by any reasonable definition as far as Im concerned.

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Nov 11, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice chart! That’s it right there. (Laughing at the bipolar Pens.) All five would be amazing. Could see it happening some year, though this year they haven’t beaten up on each other as much yet.

I did something last year, where I found in 2007-08 4 of 5 made the playoffs despite not beating up on the Isles (everyone but Philly), but in 08-09 they got help by feasting on us.

As far as OTL points go, they are damn ties, IMO thats how we have to think abut them.
That’s generally how I look at them. But then on the flip side, I don’t like how some “ties” are masked as wins. I don’t want complex standings, but this sort of cognitive dissonance hasn’t sat well with me.

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by Dominik on Nov 11, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it devalues wins… you can still only ever have the same max # of wins when it’s all done, 1230 total in the league… but now you can have more than 2460 points awarded in the league… last year 11.5% more …

i wish a team went like 11-1-70 one year and made the playoffs because it’s the only way the ridiculous factor would ever become a hot enough topic to discuss by the league

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 11, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Isles are doing their best to hit 27-27-28…

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by Dominik on Nov 11, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, that wouldn’t do it, but you get the point i’m trying to make, you can theoretically win only 11 games out of 82 and make the playoffs… what other sport can boast that? (ignore soccer/futbol please – hehe)

why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?

by bob l on Nov 11, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes, I follow. Hmmm…if the Isles could switch that to 27-16-39 though…

Haha, I don’t even have the energy to defend soccer. But it’s in my blood, so it shall never be ignored!

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by Dominik on Nov 11, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OT- Hey Dominik

Hockeys future has updated Islanders Junior prospects
dont know how to link but an interesting read and update

by steelermafia on Nov 11, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Here’s the link.

One day steeler, we will teach you the Secret of the Link. :)

That review is of course highest on Hamonic. Cizikas and Anders Lee also get some love.

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by Dominik on Nov 11, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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New York Islanders Roster

# Pos. DOB W H
Josh Bailey 12 C 10/2/1989 188 6-1
Sean Bergenheim 20 LW 2/8/1984 205 5-10
Martin Biron 43 G 8/15/1977 180 6-3
Blake Comeau 57 RW 2/18/1986 207 6-1
Bruno Gervais 8 D 10/3/1984 205 6-1
Trevor Gillies 14 LW 1/30/1979 215 6-3
Jack Hillen 38 D 1/24/1986 200 5-11
Trent Hunter 7 RW 7/5/1980 210 6-3
Tim Jackman 28 RW 11/14/1981 210 6-4
Dustin Kohn 56 D 2/2/1987 200 6-2
Andrew MacDonald 47 D 9/7/1986 188 6-1
Matt Martin 46 LW 3/8/1989 192 6-2
Freddy Meyer 44 D 1/4/1981 192 5-10
Matt Moulson 26 LW 11/1/1983 206 6-1
Frans Nielsen 51 C 4/24/1984 172 5-11
Kyle Okposo 21 RW 4/16/1988 200 6-1
Richard Park 10 RW 5/27/1976 190 5-11
Dylan Reese 42 D 8/29/1984 195 6-0
Dwayne Roloson 30 G 10/12/1969 180 6-1
Jon Sim 16 LW 9/29/1977 195 5-10
Mark Streit 2 D 12/11/1977 197 6-0
Jeff Tambellini 15 LW 4/13/1984 186 5-11
John Tavares 91 C 9/20/1990 195 6-0

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