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Islanders in Ottawa: Y'all ready for Schremp?

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You know how we worry about the "Ranger hangover"? The phenomenon where the Islanders follow up a big, emotional night against their biggest rival by laying an egg in the next game? If you want to contrive a scenario where the Sens lay an egg tonight, suppose you diagnose them with a little Leafs hangover. Maybe they'll even resign to their excitement to "watch" John Tavares.

They squeezed out a big win in Toronto Tuesday. (Well, for many Leafs fans the credit always goes to Kerry Fraser. Ah, rivalries: They bring out the tinfoil hat in you!). Of course, such hangover theories are in the eye of the beholder: The Senators were 2-2-1 last year in games after facing the Leafs, hardly an argument that hangover mitigation of Sprite and crackers is needed. Since we're reaching, though: one of those regulation losses came at the hands of the Islanders ("The Freddy Meyer Game") two days after an emotional Sens shootout win over the Leafs.

Regardless, at least the Senators' hex over the Islanders (10-1-1 before 2008-09) is over. By defeating the Sens three times in November 2008, the Isles put an end to that. The fourth 2008-09 matchup was a Tank for Tavares beatdown in March ... but hey, we got Tavares! So it was really a victory, wasn't it?

Star-divide

As discussed thoroughly yesterday, this is indeed the debut of Rob Schremp (and also Martin Biron, according to Strang). The official site even lists the lines we discussed yesterday, with Jeff Tambellini taking a seat upstairs.

The diary of impressions on why Schremp never made it with the Oil is lengthy. But what we haven't really heard is what Scott Gordon has thought of him in practice thus far to "earn" an appearance so soon. Not to repeat yesterday's debate, but have the Islanders, at long last, decided Tambellini is not a long-term top-six forward? Or has this season's Tambellini experiment -- its final year, surely -- become a "Tambellini or Schremp?" experiment, so they're intent to test each?

Tthough I didn't expect Schremp to get a shot so soon (and at Tambellini's expense before Tamby did anything wrong), I confess I'm excited to watch how this all plays out. We know that Schremp is at least trying to say the right things, repeat the principles Gordon is no doubt trying to drill into his head:

"People say that I'm a skilled player, but I can't just go out there and make hope plays. I've got to play with purpose and execute. The negatives can't outweigh the positives."

You're damned right. Hopefully playing with the responsible Josh Bailey and Trent Hunter cuts down on the negatives. In the end, though, I bet Schremp's make-or-break test will be whether he makes the 2nd PP unit go without making the 2nd 5-on-5 line bleed goals against.

The Campoli Question

Tonight we see old friend Chris Campoli, the 7th-round pick who made something of himself on the Island. Of course, with the arrival of Mark Streit and Doug Weight as the first PP pointmen, Campoli didn't get the offensive prominence he wanted, and who knows what else ailed him. I'd venture we saw plenty of Campoli to know he wasn't the long-term answer. But his request for a trade made that decision easy for the Isles, and an extra 1st-round pick came along. I'm looking forward to seeing how he's doing, particularly with Filip Kuba out. He's logged 5:04 of PP time (total) in the first two games.

About that pick: Chris Botta yesterday again tallied up the cost of Calvin de Haan -- the junior D-man who turned heads all preseason -- as Campoli, a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th. Regarding whether the Islanders needed to move up twice to secure de Haan, who was rated lower in pre-draft rankings, Botta says he "knows" Minnesota didn't want de Haan because a Wild scout told him so. All due respect to Botta and his sources, but I wouldn't trust a scout telling me that even if it was my own mother. Not only are hockey people loathe to tell you they got burned (particularly if you're all but guaranteed to publish that info), but scouts also represent just one view among several within an organization -- so even if one thinks his team wasn't going one direction, you don't know where the final decision was going.

Which is a long way of saying you never know what another team is doing, so if you see a player you know you want and you have the bullets to get him -- you go and do it. The de Haan move was a perfect example of why you accumulate picks. De Haan is better than a 2nd, two 3rd, even a 4th. The "crapshoot quotient" on picks only increases as you go deeper in the draft. So when you're in a position of strength (multiple picks in multiple rounds), you take advantage of teams who are lacking picks and are thinking they at least better come home to their boss with some kicks at the can, even if those kicks are just your excess picks.

[Update: I should have added originally that we don't even know 100% that the Islanders were targeting de Haan. That's what they say. That's what they indicated. But would they come out and tell us (or any insider) that they traded up twice and still didn't get the guy they wanted? I don't think so.]

The concept of a "reach" in the draft is a slippery slope, because a player is only a reach until some other team "reaches" to take him out from under you. It's all part of the game. There's a reason teams don't go blabbing about their draft wish list.

So yeah, we won't know how it all works out until de Haan makes it or one of those 3rd or the 4th turns into some kind of Zetterberg. But from all accounts so far, de Haan sure looks like a gem, so I'm not losing sleep over the gamble.

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I’m really looking forward to tonight’s game. I’m excited to see Okposo and Tavares, and last year the Isles showed incredible hustle against the Sens. Considering the stronger forecheck and faster pace of the Sens under Clouston, it should be an exciting, albeit sloppy, game to watch.

by DarrenM on Oct 8, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Me too. Heh, defense be damned!

The Islanders somehow played their game against the Senators last season (except for the final meeting). Clouston v. Gordon should be good.

Oh, how there will be growing pains, but watching Okposo-Tavares in the opener made me giddy for the first time in quite a while.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 8, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love that keep your head up business. They probably are thinking of the Phaneuf hit as well as Meyer’s destruction derby. Well, we need to be as tough as they are.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 8, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sick and tired

Of all my friends, the media and the journalsts that have poked fun or criticized the islander over the past two decades. This isnt Mike Milburys teams with giveaways and impatience, this opening week is just the beginning of something special and we will start to turn heads.

Tamby – I honestly think Gordon will sit different forwards depending on injuries and on how lines are clicking

by steelermafia on Oct 8, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Hear hear. It’s finally starting to turn. Goin’ about rebuilding the right way was the first step. Keeping patience is the next. As long as Kate Murray and friends don’t cause something crazy…

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 8, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Kate

Wang said that he was going to meet her sometime earlier this week. I remember him saying Monday or Tuesday but there has been no follow up. Does anyone know if he has met with her or is he simply stacking the bids to put political pressure on her? I asked Chris Botta but haven’t heard anything yet.

by metalcoconut on Oct 8, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Originally it was supposed to be a private meeting that no one was supposed to know about…before Murray’s office leaked it. If there was a meeting, I suspect that Wang insisted on absolute secrecy as a condition.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 8, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just it...

I haven’t seen anything in Tambellini’s performance this year that justifies sitting him in favor of Schremp.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 8, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda OT

Free-to-air Dish – are up and running I just got my view sat hooked up- At 6;30 pre-view starts followed by the senators game

The game is on channel 413 – Fox New York

by steelermafia on Oct 8, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I also think Yahoo Sports is still doing free previews of the games to advertise for NHL Center Ice Won’t know till gametime though.

by Mark D on Oct 8, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think the Center Ice freebie runs all month long. Good idea sharing the channel for everyone.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

De Haan

Given the last 5 years or so of Islanders draft history, I’d rather them picking late in the first as compared to having a 2nd, 3rd and 4th. And it looks like they might have hit gold this time.

by Mark D on Oct 8, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Janakowski

Whoever this guy is is doing a wonderful job especially in the later rnds. I feel the 06 and the 08 drafts he’s striking gold, remember along with Bailey, there was Petrov, Trivino, Ness and Toews that all had first rnd grades. (a very deep and talented draft).
So in essence weve gotten 7 propects with first rnd grades, another on with the Shremp move and with guys chosen in the later rnd Like Dibendenntto, Matt Martin and figren already in the system, the Iles look to have a good future let alone the 3 first round picks already on the team.

by steelermafia on Oct 8, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Game thread link

Just fyi, in-game thread here:
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2009/10/8/1076927/islanders-visit-senators-game

(Why? The “game thread” posts are automatically hooked up to other links around SBN and outside, so when people see the game and click “join the game thread,” that’s where they’re taken.)

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 8, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

de Haan gamble

I agree with you, Dominik. The old adage in NHL drafts is to make sure you get one NHL regular and if you can get a second NHL regular in the same draft, you’ve done very well. JT was a no-brainer pick, but sacrificing a few picks to pick de Haan will all be worth it if he turns into an NHL regular. We have to wait 3-4 years before really knowing if this was the right move, but I think it was.

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by gstatman on Oct 8, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

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