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Uglier than you know; The "D" Corp


Figured I'd balance out my positivity with an aspect of this team that I abhor; The Defense!!!!

 

Was watching the game last night and one thing stuck out to me. I don't know why this particular play in the game really stuck in my head like glue but I think I know now. Martinek executed a beautiful stretch pass and Howie and Bill jumped out of their seats. Why is it that this particular stretch pass sticks out to me?

 

They are rare with this defense. Extremely RARE!!!!


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Yes!!! The defense is old, it is slow and is lacking in skill. Yes, it has Hillen and  Gervaise both pretty young as well as Sutton who a mid career NHLer. It's two stay at home anchors are the aging Martinek and Witt. Sutton is not a big skill guy and Streit seems like has more of an affinity for carrying the puck through the neutral zone.

 

Stretch passes are rare and break out passes from the D even rarer. I've had many a games thus far watching a situation where we have numbers going the other way only to see the D turn the puck over on a poorly executed pass up the middle. That split second decision making that comes with younger skilled players is sorely lacking with our D corp.

 

So these are who I think should be part of the D corp moving forward, who should go and who should be relegated to depth players.

 

Stay;

Brendan Witt; Starting with my most controversial choice. Yes, he's older, slower and does not fit Gordons system all the well. What he does have more than the others on the D corp is an in depth encyclopedia on every single player in this league. Having a guy like that mentor your younger Defensemen is invaluable and worth the sacrafice in ability for now.

 

Andy Sutton; Not a top four guy by any stretch but when he plays his game (Throwing the body and clearing the front of the net) he's effective. He disrupts flow in the neutral zone with bone jarring hits and his size is needed in the corners.

 

Mark Streit; No explanation needed. The best offensive Dman on the team and valuabl member of the PP.

 

Goes;

 

Radek Martinek; Age is showing and always what I considered average. Reliable but average. Also injury prone and we've seen more than a fair sample of it over the years. If the return winds up a second/third rounder or B level prospect I'm satisfied. Replace next season with Hamonic.

 

Freddie Meyer; Can be a physical presence but is like Jon Sim with the puck. Probably has the worst hands of any defensemen I've seen on this team. Relegate to Depth status or allow to walk when the contract expires.

 

Depth Dman;

 

Bruno Gervais; Decent with puck but loses a lot of those physical battles in corner. Hell of a nice guy too. Feel bad placing him here but I think this guy is what he is and I doubt will get much better. Hold till better option comes along through the system or trade.

 

Jack Hillen; Again too small. Nice offensivly but still one of those guys better off as an injury replacement. Hold till a better option comes up through the system or younger D prospect available in a trade.

 

I imagine this will be debated for a long time to come this season. As I stated before the season started the overhaul of the D is going to be the hardest part of this process. My feeling is that with younger more talented players coming up through the system that should be more than enough to cover up for the short comings of Streit, Sutton and Witt. Especially with improvements with the forwards who should be able to sustain some offensive pressure with D not having to worry about getting Shallacked for 45 minutes a game.

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Wow, interesting one

As you probably know, the D is my longest-running concern, too.

Your reasoning for keeping Witt isn’t quite enough for me to want him to stick around — but since we’re probably stuck with him anyway, I’ll try to look at that as one of the benefits. And actually, as long as they keep his role reduced the way it’s been lately, I’m fine with him. Nothing wrong with a wily veteran on your third pair — as long as you don’t rely on him to be your main shutdown D like he was supposed to be last year.

Martinek: If there’s a deal for him, take it, but otherwise his salary is nothing too hard to keep on the books. The problem is when they count on him playing 80 games and don’t have a backup plan.

Overall though, yeah, the D needs a major rehab. And I’m curious how my opinion of different guys (Sutton, Hillen) might evolve as the season goes on.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My think on keeping Witt may be in line with yours a bit

Reduce his role and put him on the third pairing. Overall, with this corp, you have to take the best pieces of each aspect with the vets and work into benefitting your development scheme.

Optimally, if we were looking at the best case scenerio, I would Jettison Witt and get what we can for him. In keeping him I wouldn’t want to rely on him as our key shut down guy.

by Chickendirt on Oct 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only we could disassemble them for parts and build our ideal grouping (including perhaps buying Chelios’s brain off the aftermarket, since he hasn’t needed it in several years).

But yeah, even for what they’re stuck with this year, that may be the most important thing Gordon can do: Figure out the ideal pairings and roles and stick with them. Something he didn’t get much of a chance to do last year, since it was a constant rotation of injuries.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can probably move everybody except Witt...

Meyer’s contract will probably just be allowed to expire, Sutton will be traded, and maybe Martinek as well. I would think that we will obtain at least two veteran defenders either through leveraged trade or FA this summer. There are a number of vets like Martin, Volcenkov, and Boynton whose contracts will expire. No way to know if their clubs will be able to re-sign them. De Haan, Hamonic, and maybe Niemi will be NHL-ready for next year, If we were to draft Fowler, he might be as well.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 31, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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[Martinek’s] salary is nothing too hard to keep on the books.

Geez, just re-reading what I said, and it’s amazing how I can act as if the Islanders are cap-maxed. I understand Wang going cheap until he has Lighthouse clarity (if he in fact plans to spend again afterward), but damn: Now it’s at the point where I’m pinching pennies for him. Hopefully the Streit deal shows that if there’s a smart buy on the market, the Isles won’t let money stand in the way.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 31, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need resolution of the arena situation this season...

if ToH is still stalling when the New Year comes around, Wang needs to work a deal with Queens. Once the 2015 prospects are resolved, we will do much better getting FAs to come here…especially if we have a good draft.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 31, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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