Islanders Gameday in D.C.: 'Let's really try to win this one'
The Capitals are so damn good that even all those victories racked up during their 8-2-2 start "ring a little hollow" for fans. Spoiled bastards.*
*In all seriousness, Caps fans have paid their dues, going all the way back to a rough expansion that did not go quite like the Bowtie Bill model, up through an oft-forgotten but very good annual Patrick bridesmaid squad during the '80s, on to-- okay-I'll-stop-now-sorry...those who ignore history are doomed to rebuke me...
In the Islanders' favor tonight is that the Capitals are playing back-to-back, our guys may be the better team at the faceoff dot, and Boudreau's boys still routinely play down to their opponents (that's the "hollow" part). Or in last night's case, they took their foot off the gas and allowed the Thrashers back into the game.
In the Capitals' favor is pretty much everything else...
- Their star-studded (yet nameless) top line generally scores at will, barring your average Radek Martinek gold-star night. Our star-hopeful (and also nameless -- ideas, anyone?) top line is the only Islanders line that scores, period.
- Their offensive blueliner decided to win the last meeting by himself. Our offensive blueliner is still searching for his 2008-09 form.
- Their last six games read 6-0-0. Our guys' read 2-2-2.
But this is why they play the games. Katie Strang had some great updates from today's morning skate, (Gordon discloses his starter!) including why Roloson is in the net, why the same lineup as Wednesday (Blake Comeau still in timeout), and why Rob Schremp is a scratch until further notice. Further: quotes about how the Isles will approach the Ovechkin line now that they're on the road -- including using the Tavares line against them. I hope Ovi isn't angry about being held to two shots at the Coliseum. No pressure, Marti; just do like last time is all.
If the Islanders pull this off, well, in the words of Ali-G: "Respekt." We've seen that they can be competitive with any team, and we've seen that they can get teams off their game (for 60 minutes? Uh, still writing the code for that). But their odd 2-4-5 record tells us their margin for error is thin even on their best days. Or is it that they've been unlucky and could easily be 5-4-2? (And what is a hockey season if not fuel for debate between the House of Half-Full and the House of Rather-Empty-Actually?)
While I'm not a knee-jerk type of guy, an Islanders win in D.C. would help convince me the tenor of this rebuilding season can steer clear of the "we suck" despair and drive right into "we're building something" hope, through little bits of progress.
I know the roster (and the management that created it) already believe that. But when losses pile up, that self-belief has a way of waning. Stealing victories from heralded opponents, on the other hand, has a way of keeping the long-term goal in focus.
So I want this team to feel together, all year long. I don't want veterans souring on the operation like last year. I don't want us fans to be worrying about if "all the losing" is infecting Josh Bailey or John Tavares or whomever. What I do want is a team that busts its tail with consistency (Outlook: good). A team that has high expectations tempered by awareness of its limitations. A team that does whatever the hell Scott Gordon asks, so that they slowly, steadily figure more things out about themselves and NHL hockey as the season goes on.
Is that too much to ask? (Don't answer that.) But dare I say, there's a chance of us getting that. A big win against a better team tonight or tomorrow would help. As the old man in Slap Shot would travel 15 hours by bus to say: "Let's really try to win this one, guys."
Prediction: Capitals fans still not satiated.
So: Do you believe?
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The Capitals are so damn good that even all those victories racked up during their 8-2-2 start “ring a little hollow” for fans. Spoiled bastards.*
Ha, I actually thought the same thing. Its funny how quickly we Caps fans have forgotten the lean years.
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
by Sct112 on Oct 30, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
^ This article today should help put things into perspective for Caps fans to stop complainin’ and realize what theyve got lol. :)
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Oct 30, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, there’s a certain joy in raised expectations though, no?
But is it forgetting the lean years — or just realizing this is your moment? (I guess it depends on age.) In the salary cap era, I tend to see development as even more cyclical than before, so you almost have to demand success while the stars are young and entering their prime — and before injury or decline or salary weight makes things tougher again.
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by Dominik on Oct 30, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With regards to work ethic, consistency, etc, the 07-08 Caps had that. It’s maddening that the 08-09 and so far the 09-10 Caps don’t. And Semin and Backstrom are RFA after this season, Mike Green is RFA a couple of seasons later, guys like Fleischmann and Fehr are due…plus we’re constantly reminded of how Lemieux, Gretzky, and other greats had their best seasons in their early to mid 20s and won Cups that early as well. We’d like to think the window isn’t closing, but it very well may be. I don’t think the Caps in the next two seasons will be as good as this team. Time will tell, but I’m nervous.
by red army line on Oct 30, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s weird, the sensation that the window is short when things are still just getting good. But you just never know how many kicks you get, when some 6-month knee injury might burn a year, etc.
Other than consistent work ethic, what do you think they’re missing, or their biggest question mark? Another ‘D’? Certainty in goal?
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by Dominik on Oct 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m no expert, but IMO (and I bet I do have some hometown bias), while those latter two would help, when the team wants to, they lock down. The 07-08 team wasn’t as skilled or as deep, yet from March 1 to to the end of the season (about 15 games) they had the best GAA in the NHL. Part of that is Cristobal Huet coming in and playing great, but their work ethic carried over from Hanlon’s tenure. I hope they can rediscover that consistency (they have shown stretches of it, but not really complete games—best so far have been 4-1 wins over SJS and BOS). Another top-2 or top-4 D would help (there’s only 1 top-2 D on the roster IMO). I do think they are good enough right now to win a Stanley Cup; any certainty in goal or a shutdown defenseman is just a bonus. The margin between, for example, PIT and everyone else was razor thin last year.
In short, if the team applies itself, I seriously believe it will beat any other team on a consistent basis. That’s a big “if”, so anything to widen the margin between them and other teams is welcome.
by red army line on Oct 30, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, take a lesson from the old Islanders...
they didn’t get too worried about the regular season…esp not early on. They began to click into high gear around March…just in time for the real stuff.
by BCISLEMAN on Oct 30, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My football analagies
Okposo, Bailey and Taveres’s are the equivelent to a Payton Mannin and a Troy Aikman. They were drafted not only based on skill but character. They r built to survive 1-15 season till the rest of the pieces arrive.
by steelermafia on Oct 30, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s a little to early to be saying that. A lot of junior players are used to the spotlight of Canada and learn to deal with it. It’s tough to tell them apart when they’re rookies, sophomores, 3rd year players. When you start getting into 7-10 years and 15 years you can call them character players.
I think character in hockey carries a different connotation than in other sports. Most NHLers I think would be “character” guys in the other three major North American pro sports, but for hockey it also is a reflection of team-first attitude. That’s why we Caps fans all love Quintin Laing—he blocks shots like Armageddon is tomorrow and even walks around with a limp. I’m sure GM McPhee loses sleep whenever he reassigns Laing to Hershey.
by red army line on Oct 30, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reflection of team-first attitude with regards to sacrificing the body.
by red army line on Oct 30, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Islanders have (quietly) made a big deal about psych testing/profiling with their draft choices before they select them, so maybe we’ll see in a few years if their analysis has anything to it.
Bailey was definitely selected in part for that reason, but like you said, it’s dicey to predict character at this age. That said, people universally rave about the head on Bailey’s shoulders.
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by Dominik on Oct 30, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope to see him in person then. A player with a level, calm mind is perhaps the greatest asset to contender (which the Islanders may become in a few years) (I’m thinking of Sergei Fedorov especially during his time in DC).
by red army line on Oct 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course now that I say that he’s off to a sluggish start this year. But he’s just 20, and he looked better last game.
The hidden gem I would watch is Frans Nielsen #51. He’s not big, but he’s a very smart player who’s still learning how far his hockey sense can take him.
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by Dominik on Oct 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No More (C)yASHINS
This team is and will continue to pay for that mistake, I dont think you will see a heavy russian or eveneuropean influence on this team. But looking at the top picks over the past 4yrs a very heavy N.A influence.
by steelermafia on Oct 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nothing to do with nationality...
Heatley is as bad a character as Yash and Kessel looks to be a problem child as well. On the other hand, there is no grittier or higher character guy in the NHL today than Saku Koivu. If the Islanders are foolish enough to overlook players like Kirill Kabanov, Teemu Pulkinnen, Nino Niederreiter, or Patrik Nemeth because they are not North American, they will be making a huge mistake.
by BCISLEMAN on Oct 30, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT - do we really want to win
Toews and Kane, Ovieand Semin, Crosby,Malkin and Staal,. I think we kinda need some more lottery picks to get to the top or is KO, JT andJB enough
by steelermafia on Oct 30, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh, how I approach it: I want to win every game, Knowing full well that we won’t, maybe something works in the end. But barring an absolute bottom finish, we wouldn’t even be guaranteed one of the top two picks next year, so you never — truly — know what you’re going to get.
Besides, outright tanking is bad karma. Unless you’re the Penguins.
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by Dominik on Oct 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if you go that route you have to compete with Toronto… good luck winning that one.
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
by Sct112 on Oct 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt even tanking will get you two generational talents like Crosby and Malkin. Pittsburgh IMO got insanely lucky (so did Washington, thankfully for us Caps fans) in getting a guy (guys) who may turn out to be HOFers and some of the greatest to ever lace up skates. Philadelphia did a nice job, Detroit of course has been doing a nice job. The Isles have their cornerstone—Tavares. Now the job is to build around him with other young stars with veterans mixed in. It’s doubtful that another player will come into Long Island as a rookie and tear up the league right away.
Tanking makes it tougher to attract free agents, in most cases I’d imagine. It also makes it easier to accumulate talent at a price tag. Your choice.
by red army line on Oct 30, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed — both the Pens and Caps were lucky to varying degrees. And each did some great rebuilding as well, but it’s funny that some people point to them as an absolute tanking/rebuilding blueprint when — well hell, when are the next Crosby, Malkin, or Ovechkin coming along? Certainly didn’t happen the last two summers.
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by Dominik on Oct 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago is probably a better model for “rebuilding”
by red army line on Oct 31, 2009 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might very well wind up with the #1 overall pick and...
the logical thing would be to draft Hall seeing as he is the concensus #1, NHL-ready star LW-C, and Josh’s former linemate to boot. That doesn’t mean that, if Garth was in that position again, that we shouldn’t listen to offers. There are other teams with multiple first round picks. If Anaheim had an early and a mid first round pick and was willing to package Luca Sbisa with them, that would be a deal to take. Get Teemu with the first pick and Nino Niederreiter with the second pick. Then grab big bad Patrik Nemeth with our second rounder and that would be a heck of a draft. Two thirds of a second line—with Josh or Frans making the other third—and two quality defensemen. That plus trades and FA could complete the core.
by BCISLEMAN on Oct 30, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dominik, you realize you have the Caps’ old logo, right? Just making sure it’s intended.
by red army line on Oct 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh yes, but thanks for checking. It’s actually an “old” (though practically the same) Islanders shoulder patch, too. I’ve got a thing for old and new jersey memorabilia, so we get a different zoomed-in, sewn crest or patch for each game.
Last week’s was even older.
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by Dominik on Oct 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Fairness
Washington did have to pay for their early 90s crime with Dale Hunter. Karma.
Going to probably be out and about and miss this game. But this is definitely a good team to play after the win against the Rangers. Since we’re still flying high off of the win, if we can get a win off a high quality team like this it should help us get on a bit of a roll. I don’t even care if its a win due to shootout.
Right now Philly, TB, Boston, Atlanta and Carolina are all off tonight. So if we get 2 points we’re tied for 8th in the conference.
by WebBard on Oct 30, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Washington did have to pay for their early 90s crime with Dale Hunter. Karma.
Very good point.
…and I hope you had a good night — because the Isles sure did!
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by Dominik on Oct 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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