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Islanders opening roster excludes new captain Weight

Somehow it's fitting that the Islanders opening night roster will include a new captain who starts the season on IR. Nonetheless, congratulations to Doug Weight, who won via player vote the role he very much wanted. Cheers to Scott Gordon and Garth Snow, too, for letting the players choose.

Since his signing over a year ago, I've made no secret of my fondness for Weight, despite increasing injuries and decreasing speed. I've been witness to his upbeat demeanor, I remembered how a Blues locker room flamed out after dumping him for a long-term asset, and I saw him bring the Stanley Cup back to my nephew's mite team after he won the Cup with Carolina.

Strictly speaking, he's past his prime, his legs are those of an aging speedster, and no contender would give him the minutes the Islanders do. But he has a great attitude, is a great presence for the Islanders young talent, and most importantly: he's embraced this role. Of all the unhappy veterans last year, is it any wonder Weight came out of it with a level head? To me, that's exactly the role model we want for this young Islanders team. Maybe his untimely injury last year cost the Isles another 3rd or 4th rounder at the deadline. But for me it was a blessing in disguise.

Opening roster and line shuffling after the jump...

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Aside from that, a stopgap captaincy works just fine. I'm even more fond of Mark Streit -- and I hope this doesn't deter Streit's drive to be this team's best player -- but it doesn't hurt to punt the decision on a long-term leader one season down the line. In the even-keel Josh Bailey (or business-like John Tavares? or fiery Kyle Okposo?), the Islanders may have a franchise heart-and-soul they'll want to wear the "C" for a Potvin-like tenure. While I wouldn't want any of those guys to take that burden on in 2010-11, by this time next year the club will have a better idea of who is progressing along as a long-term candidate.

Weight's symbolic award was more of a surprise than the look of the Islanders opening roster. The lone camp winner, Matt Moulson, had pretty much lined up that role in recent weeks, particularly considering the injuries that created an opening. I'm one of those looking forward to seeing if he can stick on Tavares's wing, even if just for a year.

Meanwhile, Trent Hunter is on IR but can come off in time for the home opener. That leaves Weight, Frans Nielsen, Jeremy Reich and Rick DiPietro on the opening IR list as well, with Weight set to be the earliest to come back.

So an opening night napkin sketch looks something like this, with some interesting decisions for Gordon:

Matt Moulson | John Tavares | Kyle Okposo
Jeff Tambellini | Josh Bailey | Blake Comeau
Sean Bergenheim | Richard Park | Trent Hunter
Jon Sim | Nate Thompson | Tim Jackman

Bruno Gervais | Mark Streit
Radek Martinek | Brendan Witt
Freddy Meyer | Andy Sutton

Spares: Rob Schremp, Joel Rechlicz, Jack Hillen

You look at those forwards and see a lot of guys who'd like to be top-six, don't you? Certainly Bergenheim (who may end up with Tavares), Sim and Schremp, anyway.

Then with Schremp, he's a natural center, but I can't imagine the Isles trusting him with that defensive-oriented position. Still, there's an opening at center while Weight and Nielsen are out -- but surely Gordon, whose system takes a while to learn, wouldn't insert a guy who's new to the system and missed all but two days of camp, right?

As for Rechlicz -- this is all speculation, of course -- I'm wondering if Gordon won't see the Pens as a team less likely to try to bludgeon their way to a win.

But those are your pieces to play with. How do you feel about the captaincy decision? And if you were facing the Pens the night after they raised their banner, how would you set the lines, and who would you scratch?

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If the Isles intend to keep Weight for this year and next, sure. It just looks like this will be the second season in a row that they will trade their captain at the deadline. Lets not forget the only reason Weight wasn’t traded was due to his injury at the deadline last year. I would have preferred Streit since he’ll be around a few years.

Do you think with Weight out that they will go with Tavares as top line center? I thought they might give him some time as 2nd or 3rd line to build up to first line.

by Mark D on Oct 2, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

But

Is there really any difference between line 1-3? The 4th line is definitely the 4th line, but I think the first three could be interchangeable. Still no one there that you can guarantee will score 30 goals and 60 points.

That said, I am very excited for the season. The team, I believe, is finally moving in the right direction.

by Rhinos on Oct 2, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The first two could be interchangeable at the start—to a degree. Kyle and Josh have developed such a good chemistry that I don’t see breaking them up or JT and Matt. I would rather see Tambellini on one line with Josh and Kyle and JT and Matt on another with Hunts. Then Sean and Blake on a third line with Park while working Schremp in to eventually let him take over third line C duties until Frans hopefully returns at full speed.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’m of the view the top lines are interchangeable at this point. The real difference in roles is who gets major power play time, and who is assigned to check Crosby {gulp} and Malkin {double-gulp}.

I do look at those top six/seven forwards and think, “Okay, this could be interesting. A lot of guys with a chance to prove something here.”

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 2, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

To me, one major goal for Scott will be to establish what his best lines are this year. Give Josh and Kyle and Matt and JT a chance to work on their chemistry working with veterans like Doug and Hunts. Give Jeff and perhaps Robin Figren the chance to show what they can do working on the top line. Maybe Jeff can show that he has the stuff to be a top six LW and Matt can as well. No matter where we finish, Garth and Scott should have a clear idea of what they need to do in the off-season. That is the main objective for this season.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

No matter where we finish, Garth and Scott should have a clear idea of what they need to do in the off-season. That is the main objective for this season.

Yes. This is Chemistry Experiment, Year 2. With the goal of having a March-to-May lab report on what ingredients are needed to make this team take off.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 2, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

Dominik. And even to a lesser degree, Sim, Schremp, Tambellini and Comeau have to start doing something. It is exciting, and a lot better than it was 3 years ago.

But not many (any?, maybe Tavares, maybe Okposo) would be first line guys on any other team in the league.

by Rhinos on Oct 2, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

With most of the Islanders, we are talking about potential. Josh and Kyle are 2/3 of a top line assuming they develop as projected. JT is projected as a top six forward and Hunts already is. If Moulson delivers on the promise he showed in pre-season and Tambellini begins to realize his potential, you could have two evolving top lines in Tambellini-Bailey-Okposo and Moulson-Tavares-Hunter. Bergy, Nielsen, and Comeau would be a decent third line and, once he gets his act together, Joensuu could join a fourth line with Thompson and Jackman. Figren deserves a look as well.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I realize that

In 4 years (probably less) Okposo, Bailey and Tavares will be legitimate first or second liners.

I like Hunter and perhaps this is blasphemy on this site, but Hunter would not be a top six forward on any playoff team. I like him here on the Island and have for a while but he is not a top 6 forward on a team that makes the playoffs.

by Rhinos on Oct 2, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have to disagree with you on Hunter. He could be a second line forward on most teams in the NHL.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Hunter and perhaps this is blasphemy…

Heh heh, no blasphemy here. I like Hunter, quite a bit, but recognize his limitations. I think a contending team uses him on the third line, but he doesn’t bring a team down when needed to fill in the top six.

In a perfect world, he’s part of a dangerous, very responsible third line with Nielsen.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 3, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps they feel that giving him the C will cause him to play better and therefore increase their trade value. I know the players voted on this but you have to wonder what the thought process is amongst the youngsters when they see a person promoted to captain can get traded off of a team to a contending team at the deadline. You would think that their motivation for playing well starts to turn into playing well so that they can get traded at the deadline. As much as I like Weight I believe that this move sends the wrong message and to have it happen 2 years in a row just adds reinforcment.

by metalcoconut on Oct 2, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Wouldn’t you just love to see the ballots? I was thinking about the young guys, too. I bet just culturally and demeanor-wise, Weight is an easier guy to relate to at first.

I also bet the new guys are going to discover Streit’s fire when the doors are closed and players aren’t doing their jobs.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 2, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question I forgot to ask: Saturday's starting goalie?

Who do you guys start? I haven’t seen enough of them in preseason to even pretend to have an opinion. Go with the guy who makes more, has more seniority, and is here longer?

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by Dominik on Oct 2, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Roloson

Hand’s down. COuld end up being an even split going forward, but ROloson is the starter for the first game.

by Rhinos on Oct 2, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but....

read Newsday. If he is, nobody told him.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say play Biron 2 of every 3 games, Roloson the other one. Roloson is 40 years old, and you expect him to be the backup next year. Biron is trade bait so his health past this season is no concern to the Isles.

by Mark D on Oct 2, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the trading block

Sutton and Martinkek (its still too early for our captain) but does Garth keep a close eye on injuries in the NHL (ie MarkovMTL) frorr a possible trade or still too early

by steelermafia on Oct 2, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting … if Montreal wanted either, I would listen to offers pronto.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 2, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sutton will go at the deadline as well as Sim, Park, and Weight if they’ve stayed healthy and have played well. Martinek isn’t going anywhere with another year on his contract nor is Witter.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t rule out Martinek, simply because his salary is chump change*.

*Well, chump change under normal health conditions.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 2, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

His salary isn’t that bad, but no one in their right mind is going to want to buy into two seasons of his injury history and him being a year older.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if Montreal wants to package something including PK Subban and a pick, I’d listen.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since when do GMs behave in their right mind? :)

If you need a proven defenseman with legit two-way skills, $1.5 million is a tempting gamble to take.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 2, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact of the matter is that we really only have one player on our roster who could be considered a replacement for Markov. A first, second, and third round pick plus Subban might be worth considering.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

let them lose a couple games first

let them sweat a bit they become more desperate but have to keep pace in the east. Markov wilkl b back in 4or5 months so they need a band-aid.

on another topic Dom we just signed an enforcer to bridgebort who got some good money Over 100k gureenteed like the name Gillies (trevor)n aqpperently the team he left is very upset heleft

by steelermafia on Oct 2, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Botta thinks that Weight might play tomorrow.

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Oct 2, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

if weight plays who sits

according to katie straig newsday she says COMEAU,

Im not disageeing but it looks like Sim is on the 1st line with Taveres and Moulson. I say build up Sims stats and ship him out for something

Again from surfing It looks like montreal is in real trouble with the injury to Markov I think the Isles should entrtain the trade of Witnek before he gets hurt

by steelermafia on Oct 2, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

We have one defender named Witt and another named Martinek. I assume you mean Martinek. It would depend on what they were offering. They have no third round picks and I am not going for a fourth rounder for Martinek if I am Garth. PK Subban or a second rounder.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, when you say that it looks like Sim on the first line, is that your opinion or something you have read? Sim should get regular shifts, but not on the first line IMHO.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

newsday blog

it was reported Sim was skating wih tav and molson the question is is Taveres the first line

Comeau was skating with Shremp and weight the two guys who were reported not playing so I concluded that comeaus was the odd man out

by steelermafia on Oct 2, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

It may not matter much now, but eventually I think that the team will evolve with Bailey and Okposo and maybe Hall or Kabanov as our first line and Moulson Tavares and Hunts as the second. Sim, to me, is more of a third line guy.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

my apoligize

Sim skated 2nd line with Bailey centering and Hunter on the other wing

Okposo and Moulson winged Taveres

by steelermafia on Oct 2, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

OK...

I have no problem with experiments.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 2, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rob Schremp...

If the Isles are going to make anything of Rob Schremp he has to be a top six forward, it may be too soon (as hes only been with them for 3 days and does not know the playbook), but if he is going to play and they want to give him any chance to succeed they need to just pair him with JT and take at look at what they can do (specifically on the PP). Schremp is never going to be a third line player (he cant play defense) his only real asset is his offensive ability, its first line (maybe second) or bust, might as well give him the shot now.

by Judgegavel on Oct 3, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Welcome, Judge!

I agree. Schremp doesn’t have a 3rd-line bone in his body. Look at how tough a transition it was for Hilbert, and even for Tambellini to adjust to a different role — and those two had very different approaches than Schremp has taken thus far.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 3, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cannot see taking C time away from JT or ice time away from Josh. Perhaps he should be more of a PP specialist.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 3, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. I don’t see Schremp as continuing as a center, and certainly not instead of Tavares or Bailey.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 6, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

IDK I don't get to caught up in positions or think its that important...

I could care less if JT is at center or Schremp, but they need to be given a shot on the same line I think in the long run JT may even be better off at the wing.

by Judgegavel on Oct 3, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

No, he needs to play center. Any time taking him away from his natural position to give a spare part (which is what Schremp is) more ice time is a pure waste.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 3, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

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