The Deals that Make (or Break) a Franchise
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If you have been following my Fanposts, it should be evident that Chicago is getting more and more fed up with goaltender Cristobal Huet. The talk currently is of passing him through waivers and sending him down to their AHL affiliate prior to trading for another goaltender in addition to newbie Antii Niemi.
The trade would involve sending a forward, probably Dustin Byfuglien, in exchange for a goaltender. Some Chicago posters have taken note of Dwayne Roloson and Martin Biron. The Isles would be a logical partner for such a trade. We have loads of capspace and could take a pure salary dump if need be. By deadline time, Biron and possibly Roloson will be expendable. Their powerplay is also iffy, so including Doug Weight would sweeten the deal. It would depend on Huet's game not improving and Roloson's and Biron's games markedly improving.
This deal, of course, is a no brainer. Buff Daddy, as I have taken to calling him, would dramatically improve our second line and our physical presence on the ice. And he is on pace to get over 40 goals this year. Hopefully this happens and we are perfectly set up for next year with--hopefully also--the #1 overall pick and Taylor Hall to join Josh and Buff Daddy on the second line.
There is another possibility to consider also (even though you all dismissed it out of hand when I hinted at it previously). It should be considered because I strongly suspect that it WILL come up. I do NOT think that Andrei Markov will be able to come back this year at all for the Canadiens and I believe that this will become clear around deadline time.
When this happens, Bob Gainey will be burning up the phone lines, trying to make a deal or deals to keep the Habs viable. One strong possibility would be former Hab Stefane Robidas of Dallas. Gainey will also call Garth to look into obtaining Radek Martinek and I have already discussed getting Yannick Weber in exchange for him.
He will probably also at least ask about Mark Streit. Garth will probably say no way, but what if Gainey offers what I will call a Pronger ++ deal? Andrei Kostitsyn, Weber, PK Subban, their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders for 2010 and their first rounder for 2011? This would give us a quality left wing, two very blue chip defenders, and enough pick assets to move up and draft Cam Fowler as well as Taylor Hall.
What do you think?
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AN OFFER U CANT REFUSE
If Montreal offered that u cant say no, but i was hoping that Streit even though not part of the re-build would tutor guys like Hillen thisyr, followed by Dehaan next and hopefully one yr with ness which should b Streits final yr. My plan was trading Streit in his final yr and adding the last pieces to the puzzle of not only a competitve team going for the cup, but one that also has its farm stocked with prospects ready to make their mark
by steelermafia on Oct 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Such a deal PROBABLY won’t happen. Gainey would probably be wiser to trade a pick or two for Robidas and make the Martineck trade. You just never know, though, what might happen when a GM is facing the kind of desperate situation Gainey will at deadline time. Kostitsyn is not well liked in Montreal and it would make sense that Garth would insist on more for Streit as I believe he is better than Pronger over all and certainly is of greater value to us than Pronger was to Anaheim. Also, Gainey would be bargaining from a MUCH weaker position than Holmgren was. This is the approximate shape of a Streit deal were it to occur.
by BCISLEMAN on Oct 19, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, it PROBABLY wouldn't happen, BUT...
if it did, substituting Hamrlik for Weber, which would give us a legit #1 and Montreal some cap relief, would make sense. Such a deal would be a downgrade at #1 on defense, but—if the Byfuglien deal also happened—would give us a legit second line even before the draft. It would also give us two star quality defenders, one of whom—Subban—would be a big hit with the NY media and is a good buddy of JT’s.
by BCISLEMAN on Oct 19, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other star defender, of course, would be Fowler…or whoever Garth and Co decided was the cream of the 2010 entry draft crop.
by BCISLEMAN on Oct 19, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re over-valuing Streit a bit. The Pronger deal last summer was sort of a fleecing due to his reputation and age, but certainly closer to value than Edmonton got for him. I don’t think anyone currently playing rates four picks and three players (possible exception: Ovechkin). Gainey might be crazy, but I don’t think he’s that far gone.
by zytsef on Oct 20, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that I am over-valuing Streit at all. Doug Weight and Bill Guerin (who between them should know) told the former Islander beat writer for Newsday that they had never seen a defenseman play his position better than Streit did. It should be noted that—among others—they have played against not only Pronger but a certain Swede who can create a design motif from his Norris trophy collection.
In any event, its two players, a prospect, and four picks and if I am Garth Snow I will not accept anything less for him. And it isn’t so much that Gainey’s crazy as that he will become desperate next February. Of course, it isn’t Garth’s way to discuss these things, so we may never know unless Gainey does spill the beans, but I would bet that Gainey will approach Garth about Mark. And I bet that Garth will either tell him no way or make an offer about like this one which is, again:
Hamrlik, Kostitsyn, Subban and the 1st, 2nd, & 3rd picks in 2010 plus the 1st in 2011.
by BCISLEMAN on Oct 20, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bigger question is would Gainey ever consider such a trade. Two first-rounders plus blue chippers for a player he let walk away just two summers ago? No. Not a chance — and that’s even if Streit starts to repeat what he did last year.
I absolutely looooove Streit, but he doesn’t have the resume, the long-term consistency, nor the snarl/intimidation factor that Pronger has. In terms of market value, they’re in different leagues.
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by Dominik on Oct 20, 2009 3:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i guess I value Streit more highly and believe that, on balance, he is a more effective defenseman than Pronger/ Pronger has the reputation. In the new game, it takes a different smarter kind of defenseman…and I am guided by the words of Guerin and Weight.
In any event, that is what Streit is worth to me and, I believe, to this organization…and I think that there is a widespread consensus that I suspect even Gainey shares now that he made a big mistake in letting Streit walk and that Streit is much more than what some thought he was.
by BCISLEMAN on Oct 20, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please come back to planet reality
" Andrei Kostitsyn, Weber, PK Subban, their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders for 2010 and their first rounder for 2011"
ok, lets get this straight…3 players and 4 picks for streit? seven for one?
are we giving tavares to equalize this deal ?
when you propose a trade, you need to try to give equal assets in the exchange. i know that the salary cap plays a big part, but come on – you make a habit of proposing deals that are sooooo lopsided in our favor they stand no chance of ever being done, like that one you proposed of sutton for a first rounder (and i think the ducks were supposed to give us something else as well).
you’re like the guy who wants to trade Mediterranean Ave for all 3 yellow properties in Monopoly.
by nullzero00 on Nov 1, 2009 7:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The idea would be that they will likely be struggling to make the playoffs without Markov...
and would be looking for a big bang to get them over the top. I don’ty believe that Markov will be back this year and who knows about the rest of his career. Streit would be a likely player for Gainey to look at to replace him and it would take an enormous package for Garth to even consider moving him…probably out or proportion to his already considerable value.
The Sutton deal (don’t recall suggesting that they send us anything in addition to the Philly first rounder which likely will be a late first round pick) was predicated on the notion that Anaheim would be struggling for a playoff spot and would have issues with their rebuilt defense. It was also predicated on Sutton having a career year, offensively and defensively. Andy’s doing well so far this year and I do think that he will look very attractive to another team at deadline time, but it looks very unlikely that Anaheim will be competing for anything but the best possible draft pick at this point—and hoping that Emery stinks up the joint and Philly does the same!!! At this point about the only way I see us getting Anaheim’s first rounders is if we win the Taylor Hall derby—in which case I suppose that Garth will be getting a lot of offers he can’t refuse.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 1, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if i were a GM like gainey struggling to make the playoffs, i doubt i would ever trade 4 picks (never mind adding in 3 players) for Lidstrom, let alone Streit. If i’m Snow, i would take that deal in a millisecond, because it would be the rare time that you could make a deal with someone off their meds. The problem is that this deal would never be proposed.
have there been onesided deals in the past? sure. I’m still trying to figure out how Snow got a 1st rounder for Comrie last year, but i’m glad he did. yes, it would take “an enormous package for Garth to even consider moving him”, but to even think it would get beyond one or two players and a midlevel pick, or a high pick and one player, is a bit of a stretch. The Pronger deal was one of those wacky deals that is the exception, not the norm,
by nullzero00 on Nov 2, 2009 7:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually Pronger's deal is in exact accordance with the RFA guidelines
Over $5.8 mil and change, the package is 4 first rounders. You will say that Anaheim only received two—but Lupul and Sbisa were former first rounders. Philly had to send back salary to accept Pronger’s cap hit, otherwise they really would have been throwing away their future. In the Islanders case with Streit, given what he means to the franchise, the cap problem, and the situation, maybe they send back Hamrlik along with their first, second, and third round picks—first, second, and third being the guideline for Streit’s salary. But Garth still wouldn’t do it, I am sure.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 2, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still trying to figure out how Snow got a 1st rounder for Comrie last year, but i’m glad he did.
I think the key to that one was Campoli for the 1st, plus a swap of UFAs (and perhaps the option of warming Comrie up to re-signing in Ottawa, if they were ever interested). Ottawa taking a flyer on a guy who might help their PP. Not that that invalidates your larger point, which is off-meds deals are rare, and multiple prime picks even more so.
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by Dominik on Nov 5, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the reply button doesn't seem to work
the fact that it was sure to be a late first rounder was also key.
by BCISLEMAN on Nov 5, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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