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Sharks 4, Islanders 1: This is not good.

Well, crap. The Islanders played a great first period -- got the go-ahead goal and got the Sharks worried. Then it all fell apart.

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So which is it: Did the Isles simply blow it? Take their foot off the gas? Did they just wake up a sleeping giant, who exacted vengeance for the next two periods? And what, pray tell, is the answer? Sure, it's a rebuild, these are growing pains -- but every NHL team gets wins*, so what's keeping the Isles from getting theirs?

* may exclude the Leafs. Experiences may vary.

Why can't the Isles sustain two consecutive periods of commanding play? Does the other team too easily adjust? Does this youthful team crumble at the first sign of adversity -- which tonight, was a penalty call that followed a blown call the other way, leading to a power play goal that, it turned out, stemmed from an offside the linesman missed? Do they lack confidence and self-belief, which took a strong hit when they blew a 3-0 lead in five disastrous minutes in Boston?

Star-divide

I don't know the answer, but I don't think we'll get it Wednesday night against the Hurricanes, who outscored the Islanders 24-9 last season while greedily walking away with all 8 points.

Notes and Pleas

The Big Line: Another great effort by Matt Moulson, Kyle Okposo and John Tavares, who combined on the lone, powerplay goal. Obviously one necessary ingredient is another line that can contribute some offense.

Speaking of which ... Blake Comeau, Josh Bailey and Sean Bergenheim had a few moments, but far too few.

Turning points: Maybe if the offside is called before the first Sharks goal. Maybe if Doug Weight doesn't hit the post in the closing seconds of the 2nd, when he would've tied it at 2-2. Maybe if the Islanders don't open the third by giving up a powerplay goal to give the Sharks easy insurance.

A fight, a hit, a something: Not much life in the third, which might reflect shaky confidence. When there finally was a fight -- Tim Jackman and Ryan Clowe -- it was far too little, too late. This is a young team, yes, but three youngsters happen to be their three best players. Is that a problem or a cause for hope?

Stat of the night: Rechlicz: Two shifts, 1:08 TOI. This is the Fritz treatment, squared.

Questions for Next Time

Goaltending: It was discussed in the game thread that the Islanders need somebody to take the reins in goal. It would be nice to ride one guy on a hot streak, but without so much as a win (much less a shutout), who will deserve consecutive starts? Martin Biron did well early, does not take the blame for the loss, but was caught cheating on Setoguchi's goal and still gave up four.

The Lineup: Really now, it's not yet time for Jeff Tambellini to get his second game? Exactly who is blocking him at this point? Meanwhile, Jack Hillen did nothing to dissuade me from putting him back out there -- but at whose expense? Does Bruno Gervais get the Tambellini treatment, or can Scott Gordon sit a veteran blueliner?

The Lines: Despite their lack of production, I'm not inclined to rush breaking up Comeau/Bailey/Bergenheim. Might as well give them a little time. At what point, I wonder, does Gordon consider breaking up the number one line for the fabled "balance," though? Not yet, but more of the status quo could eventually bring it up.

The Penalty Kill: Two goals allowed on three opportunities. That will happen, and the Isles were hardly parading to the box. But the early season PK streak is now just a memory. Bears watching.

Suggestions, observations, answers, complaints? I'm all ears. Low expectations aside -- and it has been a brutal list of opponents -- this winless start has officially become uncomfortable.

For reaction from the other side, some friendly thoughtful Sharks fans reside at Fear the Fin. Lucky bastards.

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Heh, now that sounds panicky. I’m not panicking. I came into this year, like last year, eyes wide open.

But zero wins in six is a tough on the constitution, particularly when the last three were regulation L’s.

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by Dominik on Oct 17, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

We need secondary scoring...

and if Gordon isn’t going to play Tambellini, he should send him down or put him on waivers and bring up somebody else to get some ice time. I would like to see Robin Figren.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gordon's system is starting to remind me of Rick Bowness'

Scott Gordon is gonna find himself on borrowed time very soon At this point I don’t care about the injury excuse from last season. This squad is healthy and I don’t care how good the competition is. This is the NHL. He should have already gotten his first win already.

No excuses for this.

I don’t care how young the roster is.

If this team keeps moving in this direction he should be axed by Christmas. No excuse for having the worst record in the game or close to it for two straight seasons.

by Chickendirt on Oct 17, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Bowness

was actually the best Coach of the Milbury years, until we traded our whole future for a few years of Yashin.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the revolving door at head coach can not be healthy. Your just going to have to have patience. If you guy by Gordon’s AHL career, he improved every season. This is his first stint in the NHL, and I think when all is said and done he’s going to have a better record this season then last.

by WebBard on Oct 17, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really agree with the turnover point, too. The Islanders were destined to suck last year and quite a bit this year, too. I want to take this opportunity to actually see if Gordon can bring something special.

Not all of the new breed of young, aggressive coaches are going to stick, but we actually have the opportunity to stick with this one to find out if he can.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 17, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Snow will stick with him, and they’ll focus more on the progress of the youngsters (assuming that happens for more than Tavares/Okposo) more than the record.

But I bet it will turn before Christmas, anyway. In what form, I don’t know. The first win probably comes when one of the goalies steals a game.

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by Dominik on Oct 17, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, I’ll put you down for predicting a win BEFORE Christmas.

by WebBard on Oct 17, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa, let’s not get crazy. I’m thinking a glorious run of shootout losses, for sure.

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by Dominik on Oct 17, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like he could do any worse, however agreed that you gotta stick by Gordon for the whole season regardless of early results

by GT66 on Oct 17, 2009 10:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I wonder which is easier: evaluating a coach in hockey or soccer? I think tactical mistakes and mismatches are easier to read in soccer. So many constant moving variables within a single hockey game.

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by Dominik on Oct 17, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

4th Line

Just a thought, but since the Isles don’t seem to be getting pushed around that bad, why not try putting a quality line out for the 4th that might score instead of the big guys? Plus maybe getting 4 lines going will help the 1st and 2nd line to do more in the later periods.

by WebBard on Oct 17, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

and this season is about...

finding out what we do and do not have. We have a first line that works well. That is an important accomplishment for six games along with discovering a potent weapon in Moulson.

Now we need to concentrate on getting guys who can play around Josh to build a second line. It may need to wait until we can get Hall and maybe Buff, but we should still concentrate on seeing if any of our guys—including Tambellini—can score goals alongside Josh.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 17, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, not even sure what to say. I really thought that this was a game that the Islanders could take, and I was even more pumped going into the 2nd period.

Tambellini has to get a chance in the lineup next week, to see if he can bring anything to the lineup. He’s not doing any good sitting in a suit in the pressbox all game.

Rechlicz can’t be taking up a roster spot anymore, especially if Jackman is going to be doing the fitting. Send Joel down to the AHL, and bring up someone else. Greg Moore and Trevor Smith have been playing well down there, I’d like to see one of them get a chance.

Defense has to get tighter before their next game. If not, then Snow needs to start looking for another d-man to plug into the lineup, and I’m not sure there is much support that could come in from Bridgeport. I truly think he will have to make a trade at some point early here, to get another d-man

Not too much to be positive about tonight, except for the obvious play of the three-four youngsters…

by Cal_IslandersFan on Oct 17, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Who will they trade?

And for who? I would like to see them trade Martinek to Montreal for Weber. But that is not a move about this year, but the future. This whole year is about pushing along the development process. They are finding out what they do and do not have…and are making progress in that regard.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 17, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard that this guy Chelios has nothing better going on…

by WebBard on Oct 17, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, right!

Perfect move for a developing team. Shanny’s available as well.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 17, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The big picture

When we finally achieve our goal of having a competitive team that is in the hunt for the Stanley cup theres only about 3-4 guys on this team that will b on it.

by steelermafia on Oct 17, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

JT, Kyle, Josh, Mark, Matt, probably Hunts, maybe Bergy, Frans, and Blake. Possibly Hillen and Gervais. I would say definitely five, maybe a couple more. A lot will depend on this year.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 18, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Not that the Isles are Pittsburgh, but think about how many on last year’s Cup-winning team were on the squad for Crosby’s rookie year.

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by Dominik on Oct 18, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

this year is about...

seeing how many others beyond those 1/2 dozen or so…to say nothing of the talent in Bridgeport will be part of the Drive for Five.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 18, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okposo

Might have been missed, but he was named 3rd star of the game!

by WebBard on Oct 18, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

we need another super star

guys it took both PIT and Chi 4 or 5 good yaers drafting not top ten but top 3, we obviously need another star to make a 2nd line and the best way of aquiering him is through the draft

by steelermafia on Oct 18, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

we can get one through the draft and another through trade

Garth said he would be seeking to leverage favorable trades based on our cap space this summer. I would like to see him land Buff Daddy. Then, if we get the #1 overall and Taylor Hall, we will have a world class second line. Come to think of it, a third line of Bergy, Nielsen (or eventually Lee) and Hunts wouldn’t be too shabby either.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 18, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

It looked like they just ran out of steam again, no jump in the last 2 periods. Especially after working hard the night before against Buffalo with nothing to show for it. This was a problem last year as well, not being able to keep up the pace for a full 60 minutes. Is it that Gordon’s system burns them out during the game too soon, or the overall talent just isn’t there. Also can’t do much when only one line is scoring with any consistency.

by FireGarthSnow on Oct 18, 2009 1:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I look at it more in developmental terms...

this year being more of a hockey laboratory. We have established one potent top line and have a genuine discovery in Moulson who now has 7 points. We need to experiment to see if any available talent here or in Bridgeport can be effective alongside Josh on the second line. Depending on what develops this season, Garth and Ryan will know what they have to do. If we get the #1 overall, drafting Taylor Hall is an absolute no brainer. And, from what I have been reading on the Chicago blogs, trading Marty or Roly for Byfuglien will be a genuine possibility if they pick up their games. We might need to throw in Dougie or Parkie.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 18, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

2nd line and no coaching change

Calls for the coach are ridiculous. Any avid fan had to expect them to struggle. Any blown leads can be attributed to youth and lack of skill rather than coaching. A new tutor may only confuse these young players. Changing the coach on a last place team is a brutal move. At the end of the year you judge Gordon on whether the core players (Tavares, Okposo, Nielsen, maybe Bailey) improved. Not on how many wins they had.

Please get Rechlicz out of the line-up. Anyone’s development (even Tamb) is more important than him playing 2 minutes. If you fault the coach for anything, fault him for this.

Get Park some better linemates. This guy is so unappreciated. Switch him with Sim.

Mark Streit, Jack Hillen and Radek Martinek are cheap and talented. They should get unlimited ice-time.

The same can’t be said about the second line. Bailey, Berg and Comeau are a mess. They get pushed around constantly, they lose any pressure the #1 line generates almost immediately and they get zero quality chances. Comeau is a possible future 4th liner on a good team in a checking role. Bailey maybe on the third line of that good team. Bergenheim should be moved before he loses any value he has left on the market.

Taking all that into consideration and assuming Hunter and Nielsen return healthy, I would dress this line-up:

Moulson – Tavares – Okposo
Weight – Nielsen – Hunter
Shremp – Bailey – Park
Comeau – Sim – Tambellini/Jackman

I would trade Bergenheim for any combo of picks I could get. Play Tamb against softer teams and see if he can develop ( I don’t think he is worth anything in trade), dress Jackman against tougher teams. Never split up the top line for “balance”. who cares about balance? Winning teams need balance. I want those three to develop chemistry so in three years they are a monster line. Stop worrying about this year. Taylor Hall is a far greater prize than any number of wins you may wish for.

by Moneybag on Oct 18, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Bailey is one of our top two centers now and forever, No way Nielsen takes over as number two. Nielsen will be number three C until Anders Lee is NHL ready.

Tambellini is not a fourth liner by any stretch. My point about him is that if Gordon won’t play him—as it now seems—he should bring up somebody else like Robin Figren and give him a shot.

Comeau is more of a fourth liner, Bergy a third liner. Doubt he’ll be traded. Sim is a spare part who is being showcased in hopes of a trade. No way should he be a center on any line. Park is very capable of playing third or fourth line at any position—but he will likely be traded at the deadline. Wrecker is a player you need from time to time for toughness. If we were able to get Buff Daddy from Chicago, we might not need him.

Bailey is a talented playmaker who needs talented linemates. Gordon should see if any of our current talent here or in Bridgeport can develop into effective linemates. Then maybe we can get Buff Daddy in a deadline trade and, yes, get the #1 overall and draft Josh’s former Windsor linemate Hall and have quite a second line to back up Moulson—Tavares—Okposo.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 18, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shremp – Bailey – Park

That would be an interesting combo.

With Bailey, you can’t write him off as a 3rd now at 20 anymore than you can write off Gordon now after 88 games with this roster.

I don’t care about balance, per se, but every coach who has only one line that can score eventually considers splitting them up to spread out the offense. I don’t want to see that, but if the scoring continues so imbalanced like this, I’m sure it will come up.

Agreed that the eye should be on the prize a few seasons down the line. I’m a fairly rebuild-oriented fan, but I still have to ask when the team has gone winless in six, and running into the same problems.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 18, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey is at least the second line center on this team. We simply do not have anyone other than JT who is more talented at C than he is—and that is not soon likely to change. Garth and Co picked him over Wilson and Hodgson because they believed in him. They should stick with him. The whole problem with Mad Mike was lack of patience. When a Luongo or a Chara wasn’t an instant success, they were traded away or demoted. You need patience to build a winner. Stick with Josh on the second line and it will pay off.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 18, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sharks fan here, the Islanders did well

The Islanders did quite well last night. Getting 20 shots on goal in a period even against the currently horrendous Sharks D is impressive.

Besides, if we accept that the Marleau goal was offside (I haven’t seen a replay but I trust you guys) and blame the Seto goal on Biron; then you really only let in two goals, one on a point shot by Thornton, and who the heck expects that, right? :)

And holy cow, Okposo is impressive. The guy is built like a horse and practically impossible to take off the puck. As a Sharks fan, I’m always complaining about Vlasic’s lack of physicality, and I was thoroughly pleased whenever he was able to make Okposo budge.

Tavares was quite scary as well. He reminds me a bit of Bobby Ryan, but with better stickhandling. His supposed lack of footspeed was not really apparent, and his supposed one-dimensionality that some people were claiming was not apparent either.

by tarlinian on Oct 18, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

The disappointing thing about this game as most others this year is that the team was outplaying the opposition and then they took their foot off the gas. That is something Gordon, with Dougie and Mark’s help, will need to work on.

The other thing is that we need a potent second line. That has to be a priority for future trades and drafts.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 18, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, thanks for chiming in. It’s always great to hear the “other side” perspective.

Regarding the offside goal, it’s useful for us in a “woe is me” kind of way, but of course much happened afterward that the Islanders could or should have done to prevent the goal.

Interesting comparison with Ryan and Tavares. I haven’t gotten to see enough of Ryan, but I’ve loved whatever I have seen. Obviously for us, it’s Tavares-Okposo plus a whole lot of patience at the moment.

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by Dominik on Oct 20, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

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