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Where is Jeff Tambellini?

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Now I've watched and been to just as many games as every other Islander fan out there. My question is why does Tambellini not play ever? I dont understand the arguement that most fans have saying that he doesn't score enough. Personally I cant stand the fact that Jon Sim is dominating the ice time during a "Rebuilding Proccess". I understand that Snow made a few knee jerk signings 3 years ago (Sim Sutton) but thats no reason to sabotage the careers of young prospects like tambellini and Hillen. Tambellini has worked hard and become one of if not the best forecheckers on the team not to mention is one of the only players on the team who can skate worth a damn. If the arguement is that Sim is going to produce more offense then Tambi then fine why not give Jackman a day off instead of Tambi because he isnt going to give you anything. Dont even get me started on the Wrecker... Our major team problem is goal scoring not toughness so if we are inserting a below average tough guy to get even one second of ice time while one of our most dynamic young players is perma-scratched I have to question this rebuilding process. Or at least the effort they are putting towards it. Let Tambi play prefferebly on a line with Schremp and Bergenheim and see what its like to have two offensive lines as opposed to one offensive line and a couple of scattered offensive prospects... But unfortunately im 90% sure I wont see him against the sabres on Friday. And that is the Headache that is being a New York Islanders Fan

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Without repeating myself too much from this post/discussion, I’d like to see Tambellini get a little more of a shot — he has had quite a bit in recent years, but he’s also been jerked around every time he shows some progress. Gordon said it was nothing about his game that took him out after just one game this year; only that they wanted to see what Schremp can do. (Why so soon for Schremp? Don’t know. But he’s looked good so far.)

But I’ll try to play devil’s advocate:

  • Sim’s in probably because he’s tougher to knock off the puck around the net. Tambellini, despite his improvements in the physical/forechecking side, isn’t there
  • Jackman (and Rechlicz) are in when they’re in because they’re willing to fight and won’t back down to anyone. Obviously that’s not Tamby’s role or expectation
  • Tambellini’s out because he and Schremp might be candidates for the same job?

Well, that’s about all I can offer there. I’m not so sure there won’t be a little mixing by Friday. I think first, Gordon wanted to see what Schremp can do, and second, he wanted to see if the Boston lineup could repeat some of its success (with Weight inserted, of course).

I don’t hold out much hope for Tambellini as a scorer, but I agree it’s curious to scratch him after a busy preseason plus one regular season game, and I wouldn’t mind them trying to build two offensive lines there.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 13, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I have hope for Tambellini as a scorer…if he’s put in the lineup. And I certainly hope that Figren and Joensuu get some serious ice time this year. Sim is just being put out there as trade bait.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the problem I have with the perception with Tambi’s playing time being affected by the presence of Schremp. It seems as if it is taboo to have more than one offensive minded/capable forward on lines 2-4. Tambi had a great preseason, 5 A’s I believe , In that opening game I watched intently (hes my faviorite player on the team) he had a very solid game. Other than that huge hit Witt put on Feds he had the biggest hit of the game.
I guess what im trying to say is how many bruisers do you need in a goal starved offense??

-Jackman shows signs about every other game of being a great 3rd line grinder when he uses his size and speed but then other times it seems like he might not even know how to skate

- Rechlicz , while I love watching him scrap , is pretty much inept at the NHL level. Let him cut his teeth in the AHL for a few more seasons so maybe he can learn how to embrace the puck rather than treat it as a hot patatoe.

- Comeau… Now I know alot of Islander fans have a soft spot for Blake but to be honest I dont understand this one. His puckhandling / shooting / passing / skating skills are all subpar. He throws the body around decently but alot of times is inconsistant and forgets thats his role on the team.

-Park. Now I absolutely love Richard as a player especially a penalty killer but for this guy to be getting powerplay time while Tambi isnt allowed out of the locker room makes me want to pull out my hair. Park is a very talented skater with solid puck control but his dekes are never successful because of his size and he doesnt have the power shot to make defenders respect it so they can take the body every time.

- Sim… Im sorry guys but he stinks. Yes he scored a nice goal and I couldnt believe that he actually roofed that puck from in so tight but he more then anyone else I have seen since the last season of Eric Cairns (now thats a scrapper!) has no role in the NHL. He crashes the crease and he shoots the puck every time which is solid but start training a young forward to do that during the “REBUILDING” proccess as opposed to watching a washed up 3rd line winger and the team will end up better for it. As far as his trade value?? Thats ridiculous… there is no chance anyone will take Sim and if they did all we could ask for in return is a 5th rounder if we catch the most desperate team in the world.

Sorry to ramble about it but im very passionate about this issue. We dont need these players and their +/- will show exactly why we dont need them. They are detriments to the rebuilding process (aside from jackman who i still have some faith). If the issue is about willingness to fight call me crazy but I believe those where the reasons we brought in Witt(Expect another blog on his unmatched defensive zone cluelessness if friday goes poorly) and Sutton. You don’t grow fighters at the NHL level you get good players with heart that if push comes to shove arent afraid to drop the gloves ie: Iginla , Lecaveliar , Thornton. While fighting is a great part of the game and I hope it stays forever it is not what you build your franchise around. Hardworking young players with a ton of upside is.

by Big Swoopty on Oct 14, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry to ramble about it but im very passionate about this issue.

I can tell! :) No apology needed, this is good stuff.

I tend to agree with you wondering about the reluctance to put more pure offensive types in the lineup. Don’t know if there is an internal push-and-pull going on with balancing veterans and “tough” guys with young newbies or what.

I do suspect Gordon went with a lineup at the beginning of the year that he thought could get them off to a good start, rather than one focused on developing the rebuild. Have to at least start the season off pretending you have a chance, just for internal morale alone.

With Sim, I don’t mind his presence so much as far as taking minutes away, only because I’d rather Matt Martin and Joensuu get more time to develop themselves away from the pressure of the NHL. If you’re a “power forward” who doesn’t score at the NHL level, you can get pigeon-holed — or even pigeon-hole yourself — pretty quickly.

Same with Jackman: He does whatever’s asked (essentially, he is the Isles’ full-time enforcer) and skates less than 10 minutes anyway — I’d rather him do that than have Gordon bury a prospect with that kind of 4th-line time.

That’s really the biggest challenge with developing talent at the NHL level: If you’re giving your top line 21 minutes a night, that doesn’t leave a lot of minutes to divy up among the other 9 forwards, particularly when much of the offensive opportunities (i.e. PP time) are going to those same top 3 forwards.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 14, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Park—does a lot of things well. You need someone with his veteran presence to help the kids.

Comeau—always thought that he was a very good puckhandler—-very strong on the puck.

Sim—actually he does have value for a team that has some of the basic core elements in place already—which is exactly the kind of team we’d trade him to.

Sutton—not really a fighter. A big defenseman with some physical presence and a good hard shot who can offer some secondary scoring and can cover the other team’s bigger forwards.

Witt—can fight, but that’s not what you sign him for. You sign him for the kind of hits he gave in the Pitt game…the kind that take the minds of opposing forwards off of playmaking and scoring and on…you know…what’s the word? SURVIVAL!!!

Tambellini—I would like to see more of him as well, but let’s not pretend that he is the Great One. He has some skills and physical ability, but has yet to translate that into significant offensive production.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 14, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

More than likely, the Isles are trying to build some trade value in some of the guys they have.

Eventually someone is going to have to go. More than likely they are going to deal Park, Sim, Hunter, Witt or someone else along those lines at some point.

This is just my opinion but they do have a glut of players and have these guys sit out isn’t helping.

by Chickendirt on Oct 13, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I forgot about that angle. Indeed, none of the potential rentals will fetch a thing if they don’t get some playing time. (Of course, that didn’t work for Sim when he got a ton of minutes last year before being sent down LOL)

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 13, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sim is a guy they can sell to a trap team

just needs to prove he can skate a little better. Last season probably had a lot to do with coming off the knee injury. If we running Nolan’s system he’d be very valuable to us.

Even completely healthy he’s just not cut for an attacking system.

In a trap system you really don’t need to have great or even good hands. You need your skating but don’t have to be terribly fast. Just play your position and it’s more of a thinking mans game.

by Chickendirt on Oct 13, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hunter will not be traded. Garth has said that he is a “core” player….and I was discussing it with Logan at one point and he very pointedly said Hunts wouldn’t be traded in a way that made me believe Garth had said as much to him. Witter isn’t a UFA until next year, so he is unlikely to be traded unless somebody really needs him…like Chicago maybe.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 13, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sim is awful. Everyone in the league knows what they’d get from Park. Same with Witt.

I don’t get why they bother giving these guys so much ice-time when they’re not going to be part of the future. It’s not like they’re very productive in any event.

And don’t even get me started on Sutton. . . .

by AP77 on Oct 13, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Sutton may be good if he can stay healthy.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 13, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Park is useful for his versatility alone. Coaches love having a guy like that they can trust to throw into any situation at a moment’s notice.

I suppose they have to give some of these guys ice time because the alternative is wasting prospects up here in third/fourth line roles. When I saw Joensuu in the preseason, I didn’t want him up here, because he needs more work and more minutes than he can get here.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 13, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe after the deadline...

Jesse and Robin can get some serious ice time.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 14, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of all this...

Lines from today’s practice, per Mark Herrmann at Newsday:

Matt Moulson-John Tavares-Kyle Okposo
Sean Bergenheim-Josh Bailey-Blake Comeau
Doug Weight-Rob Schremp-Jon Sim
Richard Park-Nate Thompson-Tim Jackman
Extras—Jeff Tambellini, Frans Nielsen

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Oct 14, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Either Tambellini is injured or he is again in Gordon’s doghouse for some inexplicable reason.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 14, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG

" Either Tambellini is injured or he is again in Gordon’s doghouse for some inexplicable reason."
Inexplicable??? Really? You dont know why Jeff Tambellini just MIGHT be in the doghouse after all these years lol?

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Oct 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

It is inexplicable given the kind of pre-season he had and if Gordon wasn’t going to play him, he should have sent him down and put someone else on the roster.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 14, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Salary dump plain and SIMple

I think there are alot of teams plain and simple that would take Sim in exchange for a salary dump as of now any team that would take Sim in the middle of the yr would only have to pay him .5mill ges a vet who can play on third line energy player and at the end of the year walk away free and clear.

For example Sim and Biron for CHI for Sharp and Buff
Yeah they lose Sharp but at least get a player who can play and that u dont dump at the end of the season

by steelermafia on Oct 14, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I would take that deal…but Bowman would be shot if he did. Chicago is going to want value for key players like Buff. Sharp’s too important for them. I could see them doing a deal that included Witt going to them and Buff coming here as they need a defenseman of Witt’s type. But he would have to have a killer year and they would have to be able to send more salary back. If we sent Witt, Biron, and either Sim or Park to them for Huet, Buff Daddy, and Hjalmarson, they would eat that up. Might work for us as well if DP isn’t up to speed.

by BCISLEMAN on Oct 14, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whats the problem?

We score the least goals per game in the NHL but still continue to play grinders over a Tambellini who from what ive seen has the best speed and shot in the organization. Atleast latley Schremp has been out there handling the puck, making passes and creating chances instead of just throwing the puck into open ice toward the other team like 80percent of the team has been doing for the past couple of years. Tambellini needs to play…

by 1940forever on Dec 29, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

sit Park

I think Sim has been grinding it at pretty well this season, but Park seems to be way off.

I hope they keep Hunter around, I am a big fan of his.

by Rickfansince76 on Jan 2, 2010 1:02 AM EST reply actions  

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